Iowa State Snubbed in NFL Draft
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How? CMC is putting together historic recruiting classes for us. Seems like an arbitrary factor like being drafted hasn't filtered down to the all the kids with skills and character he's brining in. THAT'S an easy point to make.
Lazard and Lanning were both great team leaders and good athletes. I would not be surprised in the least if they stick in the NFL for a couple years simply because they are going to be great effort/motor guys that teams can count on to make plays. Lanning, it is really hard to tell if he can make it in the NFL as a LBer. Based on less than a year at that position in college you would think he has a lot of upside growth in him. Lazard's lack of speed was always going to be an issue in the NFL. Still surprised someone didn't take him as a second TE that is quick enough to get open against a LBer and tough enough to get downfield to block.
I don't see this as a snub of ISU in particular, just the case of a couple good college players that the pros can't see as a good fit for their team. ISU's draft history certainly didn't help their cause, but if one or both of these guys can make it, that will pave the way for other Cyclones in the future.
I don't see this as a snub of ISU in particular, just the case of a couple good college players that the pros can't see as a good fit for their team. ISU's draft history certainly didn't help their cause, but if one or both of these guys can make it, that will pave the way for other Cyclones in the future.
In fairness there were some good players that went undrafted, but probably not many better than Lazard...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...fted-free-agents-following-the-2018-nfl-draft
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...fted-free-agents-following-the-2018-nfl-draft
I love how some people are freaking out over how much not getting any players drafted will hurt recruiting... Nevermind the decades of losing seasons, because getting 1 guy drafted on Saturday would have changed everything.
Winning 9 games last season (we beat KSU, don’t care what anybody says), including a bowl win, and the direction Campbell has this program headed is doing a lot more for recruiting than getting 1 guy drafted in the last 3-4 rounds.
Even if Lazard was drafted in the 5th-6th round, I don’t think Campbell would use that heavily on the trail. He’s selling the program direction, the $85 million football facility being built, the fan base selling 40,000+ season tickets again, and his coaching personality.
All that being said, I fully expect ISU to have draft picks in the next year or two. Namely Lima and Montgomery.
Winning 9 games last season (we beat KSU, don’t care what anybody says), including a bowl win, and the direction Campbell has this program headed is doing a lot more for recruiting than getting 1 guy drafted in the last 3-4 rounds.
Even if Lazard was drafted in the 5th-6th round, I don’t think Campbell would use that heavily on the trail. He’s selling the program direction, the $85 million football facility being built, the fan base selling 40,000+ season tickets again, and his coaching personality.
All that being said, I fully expect ISU to have draft picks in the next year or two. Namely Lima and Montgomery.
It’s not hard at all - this is recruiting. They obviously do and will continue to use it against us. Very easy to point out our poor results in this area to a 17 year old kid and then compare them to your own schools better record in getting players drafted.
It is what it is. We’ve got plenty to offer recruits and a great staff- but clearly it would be beneficial for us to get more players drafted. Hopefully that will start next year.
Can you point me to these “freak outs”? Posters pointing out that success in the draft is a positive for recruiting is just a simple statement of fact. And I am 100% sure that Campbell and every other coach in the nation sell recruits on their abilities to develop them and turn them into NFL players. The more success story examples, the better.
Do you really need me to explain to you how a recruiter would make this comparison?
I think Campbell is recruiting well too. I also know he’d prefer having some high Cyclone NFL draft picks to highlight on the trail to help achieve even more success.
1 expected 4 round draft pic not taken has little impact on current recruiting. There are 3 impact position areas in college ball offensive line defensive line and QB, when ISU has success there and guys drafted then consistency in wins will come along.
Let’s take a realistic look at Lazard and how that could impact future recruiting. Lazard objectively had no business being not drafted. Some have pointed to some drops and historically that’s been an issue for him. That said he still hasn’t played with a really good quarterback. The best quarterbacks he’s played with are Park and Kempt. Neither is that great. In high school he had a LB playing quarterback. Then he went through how many quarterbacks here. Plus two head coaches and how many OCs. Through all of that over the last two years we saw a dramatic decrease in bad drops. Even if you want to say drops are still an issue that ignores the spectacular catches he does make that other receivers can’t. So the analysis is he drops some easy ones occasionally but he will also make a spectacular catch when you need it. He outperformed all expectations at the combine. Mike Mayock had him at #80 on his board. ESPN had him at #109 overall and #13 in receivers. No matter what way you twist it Allen not getting drafted is a big red flag because there is no reasonable justification for it. Aside from us trying to justify it or Iowa fans trolling. Allen not getting picked is a big deal.
Now when it comes to the recruiting questing I think people need to take a step back. Yes Campbell has been able to bring in great classes so far. He hasn't had to go up against lack of NFL success because the easy answer was we didn't have people deserving of being drafted or if they were it was at least close. Now we have evidence of someone he coached two years and clearly should have been drafted. Other coaches can point to that and say you have to be special there. Now how big of an impact is that going to be probably not a huge impact but it is a real concern now.
Now when it comes to the recruiting questing I think people need to take a step back. Yes Campbell has been able to bring in great classes so far. He hasn't had to go up against lack of NFL success because the easy answer was we didn't have people deserving of being drafted or if they were it was at least close. Now we have evidence of someone he coached two years and clearly should have been drafted. Other coaches can point to that and say you have to be special there. Now how big of an impact is that going to be probably not a huge impact but it is a real concern now.
If you read some of the draft board messages AL had a bad day at the Senior Bowl practices and dropped too many balls. Does that mean he can't catch and drops a lot. Not to me, not you but we are picking players and i think that might be the one day that killed him in the draft. My gut is killing me that he didn't get drafted because of dropped passes due to a bad day. Now time to prove them wrong.
Wait...what? Yes he would've been better with more experience but he was plenty good. And that leaves room to grow i.e. the rugby dude.
Here are just some of the teams that have had a player drafted more recently than the Iowa State Cyclones.
Note: Many of these teams have had multiple players drafted in the last 4 years
Alabama State
Albany State
Appalachian State
Ashland
Australia, the continent
Bucknel
Buffalo
Central Arkansas
Charlotte
Chattanooga
Coastal Carolina
Delaware
Delaware State
Drake
East Carolina
East Central
Eastern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky
Eastern Michigan
Eastern Washington
Ferris State
Fordham
Fort Wayne State
Hobart College
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Grambling
Grand Valley State
Illinois State
Jacksonville State
Kutztown
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Maine
Mars Hill
Massachusetts
Middle Tennessee State
Midwestern State
Monmouth
Montana State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
Newberry
North Carolina AT&T
North Carolina Central
North Dakota State
Northwestern State
Princeton
Sam Houston State
San Jose State
Samford
SE Louisiana
Schwasbisch Hall
South Alabama
South Carolina State
Southern Illinois
Stephen F Austin
SW Missouri State
Temple
Tennessee State
Troy
Tulane
TX Southern
TX State
UT San Antonio
Utah State
Villanova
Virginia State
Wake Forest
Weber State
West Georgia
Western Carolina
Western Kentucky
William and Mary
Yale
Youngstown State
Note: Many of these teams have had multiple players drafted in the last 4 years
Alabama State
Albany State
Appalachian State
Ashland
Australia, the continent
Bucknel
Buffalo
Central Arkansas
Charlotte
Chattanooga
Coastal Carolina
Delaware
Delaware State
Drake
East Carolina
East Central
Eastern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky
Eastern Michigan
Eastern Washington
Ferris State
Fordham
Fort Wayne State
Hobart College
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Grambling
Grand Valley State
Illinois State
Jacksonville State
Kutztown
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Maine
Mars Hill
Massachusetts
Middle Tennessee State
Midwestern State
Monmouth
Montana State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
Newberry
North Carolina AT&T
North Carolina Central
North Dakota State
Northwestern State
Princeton
Sam Houston State
San Jose State
Samford
SE Louisiana
Schwasbisch Hall
South Alabama
South Carolina State
Southern Illinois
Stephen F Austin
SW Missouri State
Temple
Tennessee State
Troy
Tulane
TX Southern
TX State
UT San Antonio
Utah State
Villanova
Virginia State
Wake Forest
Weber State
West Georgia
Western Carolina
Western Kentucky
William and Mary
Yale
Youngstown State
Allen Lazard and Joel Lanning are mentioned as part of the 19 undrafted free agents that you can get excited about in this article: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/29/17273528/undrafted-free-agents-available-nfl-2018
Sarcasm I'm assuming to some degree?
You do have to remember that what should of Rhodes best recruiting year ie. Beating OSU tons of positive press coverage. Was the year the Big 12 was imploding. Rumors of ISU landing in a mid major would scare away any recruit wanting to play in a power conference. Having to have a recruiting pitch that says come here and you'll have a chance to play right away does not translate to a large number of NFL caliber guys. But for a long long time that was our best pitch. Don't like it then open the wallet and get a new press box and skyboxes built. Geesh two years ago we had a stadium that would barely qualify as a high school stadium in Texas not to mention one of the coldest stadiums if not the coldest considering it was completely open to the wind of any BCS schools stadium.
The point in there are many "ISU sucks" arguments that can be used on the recruiting trail, and draft picks are not the first on the list.
