Agree....that's what's wild...heard a radio caller talking about this exact point. It went from "if the school sells a #5 Jersey that player should get a cut" intent to essentially what you nailed as a inducement mechanism.
Iowa NIL Update
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There is legit nothing in that post that talks about overpaying an athlete as there is no way to determine what is overpaying.
NCAA legit tells athletes to ask coaches about how NIL works at their school this is an exact quote.
- What NIL rules are enforced by your school and conference?
- What is NIL going to look like for me if I come to your institution?
- How are current student-athletes monetizing their NIL?
- What marketplaces are your current athletes using to monetize on their NIL?
What is NIL? NCAA Name, Image, Likeness Rule Explained
Learn about the NCAA NIL rules and how student-athletes can profit from their name, image, and likeness through endorsements and promotions.
www.ncsasports.org
Common sense dictates what is over payinging as excerpted from this link: https://www.ropesgray.com/en/newsro...-the-books-trends-emerge-and-confusion-reignsThere is legit nothing in that post that talks about overpaying an athlete as there is no way to determine what is overpaying.
NCAA legit tells athletes to ask coaches about how NIL works at their school this is an exact quote.
- What NIL rules are enforced by your school and conference?
- What is NIL going to look like for me if I come to your institution?
- How are current student-athletes monetizing their NIL?
- What marketplaces are your current athletes using to monetize on their NIL?
What is NIL? NCAA Name, Image, Likeness Rule Explained
Learn about the NCAA NIL rules and how student-athletes can profit from their name, image, and likeness through endorsements and promotions.
No Pay-for-Play
While the lines around what will and won’t be enforced under the NCAA’s interim policy remain unsettled, at a minimum, legitimate NIL deals should (i) require quid pro quo (e.g., payments in exchange for the student-athlete’s autograph signings, personal appearances, social media posts, etc.); (ii) ensure payments and incentives are not tied to individual or team performance (e.g., no bonus for winning a championship or scoring a certain number of points); and (iii) involve payments commensurate with the fair market value of the services the student-athlete actually provides. Although fair market value for personal services can vary greatly depending on the endorser’s popularity, NIL deals cannot be used as a shell to disguise otherwise illegal payments to student-athletes. If a school’s compliance program identifies a student-athlete’s NIL deal that appears on its face to be a clear violation of one of the foregoing principles, further investigation (and documentation showing such investigation occurred) would be warranted.
The NCAA hasn't enforced the rules for years. They'll just walk away from NIL violations with bags of money themselves.
Common sense is sadly not interpreted by law and again fair market is essentially what you’re getting paid and enough precedent has been set that it wouldn’t be an issue.
We can go back and forth on the law but I will readily admit I’m not a legal expert. One thing I do know is that if a “law” isn’t enforced it’s not much of a law and not enough has happened to even have a realistic idea what stands. USC grabbing Penn States top WR with the promise of millions should break every rule and yet there was zero pushback or enforcement when it happened. That was blue blood on blue blood violence too so if it’s not happening then I’m not sure when it would.
It’s the Wild West out there.
Seems everyone is panicking, probably due to the transfer portal numbers.
This week of Cyclone misery has pushed me to make a decision – I will be contributing what I can to the We Will Collective.
Just like I don’t feel I can complain about the government unless I vote, I feel I cannot complain about the future inequities unless I do my part.
I respect you may disagree, and I respect your decision is yours.
Contributing may not get us a Big 12 Championship, ten years without missing a bowl game, a wrestling win over Iowa or sweeps in Men’s and Women’s basketball, but if my small donation can help us get a chance – I am now in. If my donation helps keep one key depth piece in football, a key wrestling recruit or helps lures another basketball rotation player I am in.
One radio host noted recently that when he has adverse feeling to the new NIL world, they usually are attributed to two things: 1) Nostalgia or 2) Jealousy – I found I felt the same as him. I have come to grips we are not going back to a time where the degree meant more than the dollar.
I envy Iowa’s future income stream but do not envy their position against Ohio State.
Just like Kansas State or TCU this year, we have a realistic opportunity to play for a championship every year. I believe Iowa State is in a better position but only if we play the game by the new rules rather than wishing for something different.
In the end, I recognize we cannot be Ohio State, I am glad we are not Florida State, I believe we can be better than Kansas State, but I fear we may be more like North Dakota State.
Just like I don’t feel I can complain about the government unless I vote, I feel I cannot complain about the future inequities unless I do my part.
I respect you may disagree, and I respect your decision is yours.
Contributing may not get us a Big 12 Championship, ten years without missing a bowl game, a wrestling win over Iowa or sweeps in Men’s and Women’s basketball, but if my small donation can help us get a chance – I am now in. If my donation helps keep one key depth piece in football, a key wrestling recruit or helps lures another basketball rotation player I am in.
One radio host noted recently that when he has adverse feeling to the new NIL world, they usually are attributed to two things: 1) Nostalgia or 2) Jealousy – I found I felt the same as him. I have come to grips we are not going back to a time where the degree meant more than the dollar.
I envy Iowa’s future income stream but do not envy their position against Ohio State.
Just like Kansas State or TCU this year, we have a realistic opportunity to play for a championship every year. I believe Iowa State is in a better position but only if we play the game by the new rules rather than wishing for something different.
In the end, I recognize we cannot be Ohio State, I am glad we are not Florida State, I believe we can be better than Kansas State, but I fear we may be more like North Dakota State.
Maybe. It's been several years since I've seen the numbers but last I knew ISU grads made more than UI grads, even without med or law schools. Perhaps someone can update.
I think the cat's out of the bag now. The NCAA has backed itself into a corner and can't put caps on anything now without getting sued. The NCAA might as well cease to exist at this point.
Many have disagreed with me on this in the past but I fear over time this will cause ISU to fall into irrelevance. I don't know if it will take one year, five years or 10, but I don't see any way ISU can compete in the current wild west environment. One hopeful thing I've heard about that could level the playing field a little bit is that it is being considered to allow some TV money to go directly to athletes. If ISU stays in a P5 conference that could be our saving grace.
Everyone is behind!!!!
No, that's not true, that's impossible!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOONOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
I dont foresee that helping. TV revenue for B1G and SEC dwarfs Big12 revenue, meaning they could put more distance between the programs
The big ten and SEC situation will create some other dynamics. If you are a JJ kohl level player, what is their importance? If they take a big payout from a school and get over recruited the next year and ride the pine, is that better than a little less and starting 3 years at a big 12/ACC school. Is 50k at an Indiana, where you will go 3-9 most years, better than 10k at an ISU type that can get you to a bowl most years and get you better exposure.
We are still in the Wild West of NIL and it will be a few years before this stuff sorts itself out.
How is this any different than now, taking out NIL and such? Youre just adding an additional 200k over 5 years in your scenario, pkus more NIL options. Also, to think 40k is 'a little less' to a college student is silly.
40k less over 3-5 years yes, but you may not get the exposure and coaching which means less likely to make the NFL. Now is that 40k less per year as silly.
I agree with that a lot. There will be a handful of "semi-pro" college teams, but a proven player considering opportunities with one year left to play at a place like ISU is going to need--beyond any NIL money-- a starting guarantee to change schools if they are smart and have NFL aspirations. There are only going to so many opportunities like that to go around.
My view is that we will see much of this settle down over time. One nice thing is that the new Big 12 in which we will competing is unlikely to have any of those semi-pro teams to go up against.
You absolutely nailed it. I hate the way things are, but it’s not going to change and we’ve got to adapt. We have an AMAZING opportunity ahead of us with OUT gone and the playoff expanding.
We have one of, if not the most passionate fanbase in the new B12. If we can just step up and show that passion by supporting the team in these new ways, I’ve got no worries about the future
