Iowa NIL Update

ZorkClone

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Could you tie donations to certain things happening, like I will donate $x per sack or dunk this season? Like we had 26 sacks at $10 a pop it'd be $260.
 
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Nope that’s pay for play and isn’t allowed.

Not true. We have corporate sponsors that donate X amount per 3 pointer made or TD's scored or trips to the red zone.

As long as it isn't "I'll donate $50 to Caleb Grill for every 3 pointer he makes" and it's "I'll donate $50 to WE WILL for every 3 pointer ISU makes this season" it's fine.
 

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Not true. We have corporate sponsors that donate X amount per 3 pointer made or TD's scored or trips to the red zone.

As long as it isn't "I'll donate $50 to Caleb Grill for every 3 pointer he makes" and it's "I'll donate $50 to WE WILL for every 3 pointer ISU makes this season" it's fine.
Oh sure that’s donating to the collective, not donating necessarily to the team so you can get around it.
 

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Not true. We have corporate sponsors that donate X amount per 3 pointer made or TD's scored or trips to the red zone.

As long as it isn't "I'll donate $50 to Caleb Grill for every 3 pointer he makes" and it's "I'll donate $50 to WE WILL for every 3 pointer ISU makes this season" it's fine.

I was unclear originally, the bold is what I meant.
 

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I cant help but wonder if the coaches and administrators donate to the collective.
 

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The NCAA just needs to make athletes employees and pay them. Put a cap on their pay. Every P5 school in the country has the same cap. Schools can use athletic funds or donor money to fund the payroll. One year contracts that get renewed, or not, at the end of each year.
 

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I see what you're saying but I don't really buy this. ISU has a lot of great majors with people making some good money. Just think of how many engineers alone come from ISU. They make some great money, and combined with mostly living in the affordable midwest, I would believe there's some extra cash there. Combine this with all of the other majors ISU offers that provide a good living (business, ag, design, etc.) and I feel like we do just fine.

I really think we are just a stingy group, mixed with the fact that we don't have t-shirt fans. If someone grew up in Iowa and either went to a small school or a school out of state, or UNI, they are much more likely to follow and donate to Iowa.

I think the law/med school argument is a bit overblown. Yes, I'm sure that's gotten Iowa some good money and yes they make great money, but many of those folks come to those programs with allegiances to their undergrad.

For every engineer that gives two ***** about sports there are probably 3 that don’t.

A major problem ISU also has in regards to NIL is that people graduate and leave the state, become disconnected from the school and it’s sports ball teams, and don’t want to give at all to ISU in any capacity especially sports that they can’t see in person or get any kind of added benefits from.
 

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The NCAA just needs to make athletes employees and pay them. Put a cap on their pay. Every P5 school in the country has the same cap. Schools can use athletic funds or donor money to fund the payroll. One year contracts that get renewed, or not, at the end of each year.
They will fight the employee thing forever. Take Rose for an example. If he gets hurt and says that that, or he got rushed to return, or he didn’t get a perfect diagnosis or something and that is why he didn’t make the NFL cut, he could sue for multi millions.
 
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For every engineer that gives two ***** about sports there are probably 3 that don’t.

A major problem ISU also has in regards to NIL is that people graduate and leave the state, become disconnected from the school and it’s sports ball teams, and don’t want to give at all to ISU in any capacity especially sports that they can’t see in person or get any kind of added benefits from.
Man it’s weird but in my time in Chicago and other areas I felt people hung onto their fandom even more. Might be a skewed sample because the people talking about their team or watching at a bar are obv fans but I never would have drawn that conclusion, interesting.
 

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This is why NIL should have been capped at a certain amount. Like 100K or something. The conference Realignments and NIL is not good for the majority of schools outside of the BIG/SEC.

Iowa is going to be at 100M in TV revenue alone in a few years, so all they have to do is tell donors to dial it down a bit on the donations to the university and route that money to their NIL deals. So they will easily be able to get several million to the Iowa NIL collective. That will buy players.
ISU doesn't have that option because they will need every penny from the TV deal and rely on fans to donate heavily to the university AND the NIL collective.
We will have to get creative some how..
 

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This is why NIL should have been capped at a certain amount. Like 100K or something. The conference Realignments and NIL is not good for the majority of schools outside of the BIG/SEC.

Iowa is going to be at 100M in TV revenue alone in a few years, so all they have to do is tell donors to dial it down a bit on the donations to the university and route that money to their NIL deals. So they will easily be able to get several million to the Iowa NIL collective. That will buy players.
ISU doesn't have that option because they will need every penny from the TV deal and rely on fans to donate heavily to the university AND the NIL collective.
We will have to get creative some how..
Don't disagree caps would be great - but that can never happen now. Because NIL is basically endorsements, you can't cap it - just like you can't cap how much Lebron gets from Nike for repping them.
 

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Man it’s weird but in my time in Chicago and other areas I felt people hung onto their fandom even more. Might be a skewed sample because the people talking about their team or watching at a bar are obv fans but I never would have drawn that conclusion, interesting.

Look at the schools though that dominate Chicago outside of Illinois, NW, N. I’ll., etc…I bet it’s ND, tOSU, Michigan, etc. the biggest schools in the Midwest with huge traditions and success.
 

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Don't disagree caps would be great - but that can never happen now. Because NIL is basically endorsements, you can't cap it - just like you can't cap how much Lebron gets from Nike for repping them.
yeah...the cats out of the bag at this point. I just don't like how easy it is to buy players these days for any amount of money.
Watching the SEC/BIG and Deon Sanders over the next 5 years is going to tell a lot.

If you have big bags of cash to give out, you are in good shape typically. not always, but most times, money will win out.
 

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Look at the schools though that dominate Chicago outside of Illinois, NW, N. I’ll., etc…I bet it’s ND, tOSU, Michigan, etc. the biggest schools in the Midwest with huge traditions and success.
Yeah that’s a valid point. I was also able to always find a Michigan/sparty bar even on my rotation in the Bay Area. So was just surprised to hear the fandom drop off if people moved out of state, always had the opposite experience so good to hear from a new perspective.
 
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The point is not that everyone has to give to ISU... everyone has to do what makes sense for them.

The point is, if we all give a little it will go a long way. If a smaller state (income and population) is supporting their schools - schools that we used to out perform, we can do this too.

But it's not one big donor... it's many of us together.

Three big problems:
(1) The mindset of wanting something direct and tangible in return, as in "What do I get for my $10 or $20 or $50?"
(2) There are areas in this country (e.g., the Southeast) where a large number of people tie so much of their personal identities to their university's sports teams. Iowa State isn't one of those.
(3) There are places with a concentration of affluent donors who give just to show how much money they have -- an ego/****-measuring contest. Iowa State isn't one of those.
 

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