Ineligible Receiver Downfield Overturned

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Just as bad was the KU player that downed the punt while standing on the goal line. By rule, the body can not have touched the goal line/end zone. They can be above the goal line/end zone but as soon as they have touched they are considered in the end zone.
 

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How can they review a call that's not reviewable? Answer me that. Especially after Campbell spent an entire timeout pointing out it wasn't reviewable.
They cant, that is the issue. The refs screwed up. It should not have been reviewed. That is what is the issue. This is why the refs suck:
A) They reviewed and unreviewable call.
B) They called the wrong penalty (one that would have been reviewable)
C) They overturned the penalty, because it was the wrong penalty....that they could not review....but then did not/could not enforce the correct penalty.

What Should have happened is when there was a review, they should have said, you called the wrong penalty, but their is a penalty. The correct penalty is reviewable, and carries the same penalty. But since you cant review what you are reviewing the penalty must STAND.
 

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Does anyone have a list of penalties that are reviewable in college football?
 

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Just as bad was the KU player that downed the punt while standing on the goal line. By rule, the body can not have touched the goal line/end zone. They can be above the goal line/end zone but as soon as they have touched they are considered in the end zone.
Seems like in the game-day thread, several people claimed the feet-on-goal-line is "only in NFL," and that college has different rule. I have no clue ... Hopefully someone can clarify here.
 

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It's actually kind of refreshing watching high school football and just knowing a call is a call. I understood the call for replay but the entire thing has completely jumped the shark. Looking at some penalties but not others is absolute nonsense.
 
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Just as bad was the KU player that downed the punt while standing on the goal line. By rule, the body can not have touched the goal line/end zone. They can be above the goal line/end zone but as soon as they have touched they are considered in the end zone.

 
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I was just listening on the radio, so I have not actually seen the play. If the guy who caught it was the ineligible receiver, then I'm sure you're right.

The play is no different than throwing a pass to a Tackle who had a WR covering him up.

I honestly couldn't figure out what was so hard about the call it was clear cut that a covered WR caught a forward pass. The only way that WR was eligible to catch a pass was 1) it was a backwards pass or 2) it was touched by the defense or a eligible WR prior to him touching it. Neither of which happened.
 

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Does anyone have a list of penalties that are reviewable in college football?
In 2006, the NCAA Football Rules Committee enacted instant replay guidelines and added them to the football playing rules. For games involving two schools from the same conference, league policy determines whether replay will be used. For non-conference games, the home team makes the determination.

Plays involving the sideline, goal line, end zone and end line, as well as other detectable situations, are reviewable (e.g., fumble/no fumble, pass complete/incomplete, touchdown/no touchdown, runner down/not down, player or ball inbounds/out of bounds, clock adjustments). Most fouls (e.g., holding, offside, pass interference) are not reviewable, except that in 2006, illegal forward passes, handoffs and punts from beyond the line of scrimmage, and too many players on the field are reviewable and the foul may be called after replay review. Also, while the foul of pass interference is not reviewable, it can be overturned on review based on touching of the pass. By rule, pass interference cannot apply if a pass has been touched by any player before the foul occurs, and the touching of a pass is a reviewable play at its conclusion from a secure booth in the press box. Most plays are routine and the game continues without interruption. If, however, the following criteria are met, the Replay Official may interrupt the contest by paging the game officials to stop the game before the next play starts. The criteria are:

  • There is reasonable evidence to believe an error was made in the initial on-field ruling.
  • The play is reviewable.
  • Any reversal of the on-field ruling, which can only result from indisputable video evidence, would have a direct, competitive impact on the game.
Once per game, each head coach may also call a timeout and challenge the ruling on the previous play before the next play starts. A coach must have at least one timeout remaining in order to challenge (teams receive three timeouts per half). If the challenge is successful and the on-field ruling is overturned, the team keeps its timeout and is allowed only one more challenge. If unsuccessful, the team loses its timeout and is allowed no more challenges.

After reviewing the play from available video angles, the Replay Official decides if the call should be upheld or overturned. If the call is overturned, the Replay Official provides the proper information to restart the play, such as the team in possession, the yard line where the ball should be placed, the correct down and distance, and the correct time on the stadium clock. Should there have been an official score change, the score will be changed again, resulting in the original score.
 
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Just as bad was the KU player that downed the punt while standing on the goal line. By rule, the body can not have touched the goal line/end zone. They can be above the goal line/end zone but as soon as they have touched they are considered in the end zone.
NFL you can't touch the goal line, but a ball can be in the air over the end zone and you can leap from the one yard line and bat it back out to down it. In college the ball is the only thing that matters, it's only dead when it crosses the goal line, on the ground or in the air.
 
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In 2006, the NCAA Football Rules Committee enacted instant replay guidelines and added them to the football playing rules. For games involving two schools from the same conference, league policy determines whether replay will be used. For non-conference games, the home team makes the determination.

Plays involving the sideline, goal line, end zone and end line, as well as other detectable situations, are reviewable (e.g., fumble/no fumble, pass complete/incomplete, touchdown/no touchdown, runner down/not down, player or ball inbounds/out of bounds, clock adjustments). Most fouls (e.g., holding, offside, pass interference) are not reviewable, except that in 2006, illegal forward passes, handoffs and punts from beyond the line of scrimmage, and too many players on the field are reviewable and the foul may be called after replay review. Also, while the foul of pass interference is not reviewable, it can be overturned on review based on touching of the pass. By rule, pass interference cannot apply if a pass has been touched by any player before the foul occurs, and the touching of a pass is a reviewable play at its conclusion from a secure booth in the press box. Most plays are routine and the game continues without interruption. If, however, the following criteria are met, the Replay Official may interrupt the contest by paging the game officials to stop the game before the next play starts. The criteria are:

  • There is reasonable evidence to believe an error was made in the initial on-field ruling.
  • The play is reviewable.
  • Any reversal of the on-field ruling, which can only result from indisputable video evidence, would have a direct, competitive impact on the game.
Once per game, each head coach may also call a timeout and challenge the ruling on the previous play before the next play starts. A coach must have at least one timeout remaining in order to challenge (teams receive three timeouts per half). If the challenge is successful and the on-field ruling is overturned, the team keeps its timeout and is allowed only one more challenge. If unsuccessful, the team loses its timeout and is allowed no more challenges.

After reviewing the play from available video angles, the Replay Official decides if the call should be upheld or overturned. If the call is overturned, the Replay Official provides the proper information to restart the play, such as the team in possession, the yard line where the ball should be placed, the correct down and distance, and the correct time on the stadium clock. Should there have been an official score change, the score will be changed again, resulting in the original score.
Section 3 of the replay rules

Passes
ARTICLE 2. Reviewable plays involving passes include:
a. Pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted anywhere in the field of play or an end zone.
b. Forward pass touched by a player (eligible or ineligible) or an official, including whether the
touching is beyond or behind the line of scrimmage.
c. Forward pass or forward handing when a ball carrier is or has been beyond the neutral zone.



The way I understand it, only the illegal touching part is reviewable, to see if someone touches the ball.

Otherwise it is just, catch no catch, forward, backward passes.

I do not read it as an illegal receiver downfield is reviewable, unless that would be included in part C above, but that seems like a reach.

They called illegal receiver downfield. But it should have been illegal touching. Same penalty. Either one should have been let stand, or one should have been enforced, and been explained as a miscalled penalty.

Big 12 refs are terrible.
 

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I appreciate explanations for difference between NFL/college for that touchback case.

Now we can get on to debating which rule makes more sense. :D
Honestly, the college rule makes more sense. We aren't going to call a safety if the player has their feet on the goal line but the ball is outside of the endzone.

Then again, it doesn't matter if a player touches the ball in the air out of bounds as long as he jumps from inbounds.

Hmmm.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Just got back from a JV game. Same thing basically happened, but these refs got it right. Sad when 9/10th grade refs call it correct (making probably 90 bucks for the night) and big 12 officials making 20x that probably (and 2x as many) can’t get it right.
 
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Just got back from a JV game. Same thing basically happened, but these refs got it right. Sad when 9/10th grade refs call it correct (making probably 90 bucks for the night) and big 12 officials making 20x that probably (and 2x as many) can’t get it right.
They have replay for JV games now?
 

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