If the B12 remains intact and moves forward
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It doesn't mean that at all. As for the GOR, that gets negotiated with the NEXT television contract...so that's not coming until we lock in a new TV deal. That is separate from adding teams now...we don't do GOR's just because a team or two joined the conference.
You're right, only on the basis that it would now be the G6. The current B12 with the additions being floated would be considered a mid major conference and a death sentence for the ISU AD.
At this point, you either get the **** out of the B12 by any means necessary or watch your programs burn to the ground. No additions to the conference will change that scenario.
Wow. Its always one extreme or the other. If we add...say Cinci and BYU...we remain as we were with a little less money. If the playoff expands, our champion gets an autobid just like the ACC/PAC/SEC/B1G. I'm not happy if that's how it ends up, but you're quite wrong to suggest we would then join the G level schools. That's just wrong.
A little less money? You're talking a fraction of the income. Adding these mid major schools is an extreme measure, a situation ISU will only find itself in if all other possibilities fail.
You can tell yourself I'm wrong all you want, but there is no saving this. No additions are going to revive this corpse of a conference.
The schools give a GORs to the conference, not the network. The conference then negotiates the network deal. The extension of the GOR can happen at any time prior to the conference negotiating the TV contact. If I’m a university president, no way I agree to leave my current conference or give up independence without the conference schools extending their GOR to the conference. It’s just not at all practical to think they will.
The 16-team, play at non-traditional times model combines the mistakes of the 90's WAC (getting too big too fast), C-USA (getting schools in big markets that they don't actually deliver), and MAC (play at weird hours so your fanbase can't actually go to games).
None of the teams available can deliver large markets or have large fanbases outside of maybe BYU. I think our best shot at staying relevant (outside of a B1G/PAC invite of course) is drawing national fans in with the best on-field product possible. BYU-Coastal didn't set ESPNU ratings records because they have tons of fans, they did because they were both nationally relevant late in the season.
I'd take 2-4 schools that have sustained success with multiple coaches like BYU/Cinci/UCF/Boise. It's not unrealistic for us to hang with the ACC and PAC in terms of football quality. The eight leftover schools are about equal already, and while the financial hit will make it harder to keep up, those other schools are staying on about that level with far less. We won't get the media deals the ACC and PAC get because we won't have flagship schools to drive ratings, but we'd be a lot closer to them than we would be to the American.
None of the teams available can deliver large markets or have large fanbases outside of maybe BYU. I think our best shot at staying relevant (outside of a B1G/PAC invite of course) is drawing national fans in with the best on-field product possible. BYU-Coastal didn't set ESPNU ratings records because they have tons of fans, they did because they were both nationally relevant late in the season.
I'd take 2-4 schools that have sustained success with multiple coaches like BYU/Cinci/UCF/Boise. It's not unrealistic for us to hang with the ACC and PAC in terms of football quality. The eight leftover schools are about equal already, and while the financial hit will make it harder to keep up, those other schools are staying on about that level with far less. We won't get the media deals the ACC and PAC get because we won't have flagship schools to drive ratings, but we'd be a lot closer to them than we would be to the American.
Some conferences don't even have GOR's, so nobody is going to hold out from a HUGE jump up in pay to a P5 conference because they don't have a GOR. Sure, they'd prefer it, but they don't miss out on the opportunity...no way. That chance to move up a notch may NEVER come again for these schools...they are going to say yes. Saying no would be grotesquely unwise.
That’sa great plan if you’ve got a dance partner. But if the Big 10 and Pac 12 have said no thanks? A reformulated Big 12 is still better than the AAC. And independence for ISU would probably be worse than the AAC. Right now it might be about picking the best bad choice available to us. The remaining 8 with BYU and Cincinnati might not be a power conference anymore, but it’s still miles better than any of the current G5 conferences.
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It would, in fact, be better on the field than the PAC and the ACC.
Sorry, I just don’t agree. They’re not going to jump on the Titanic when it’s sinking just because it’sa bigger ship than the one they are on. And the Big 12 without OU and UT doesn’t have the same same draw. I guess we’ll see if expansion happens, but I’d expect an extension of the GOR to be announced close to the same time the first school is officially accepted. We’ll just have to disagree until then. I hope you’re right. I’d love to be wrong on this one.
What's the difference between the B12 adding AAC schools or the AAC adding B12 schools? It's the exact same outcome. There is no middle ground here, you either survive the crisis or you don't.
I hate the fact that the B12 is dead, but it is and there are no paths available to change that. Adding a few schools may make the B12 corpse a better version of any other mid major out there, but it's still a ******* mid major at the end of the day.
There is a big difference between the remaining 8 plus BYU and the best 1 or three from the AAC and us just joining the AAC. Yeah, it sucks and yeah we all wish it was different. But if you think those are the same thing, I don’t know what to say.
Just to recap this week: Wednesday we were B1G bound according to the mustache; Thursday the PAC was announcing they were expanding (but actually said they weren’t) and then Tech AD gets all diarrhea of the mouth and proclaims an expansion committee has been formed with ISU/KU top dogs; Friday Big 12 is expanding with BYU. What a week. Can the Tech AD just relax?
I guess what I would say is that you may not fully grasp the pettiness, tribalism and bias that exists in college sports. Your school aligns itself with the likes of a Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, etc. and the general thought is that your school is now on their mid major level. It's not reality, it's far from fair, but it's how this busted sport works. Bring in AAC schools, MWC schools, join either conference, whatever - same overall perceived outcome.
A point to consider: West Virginia has already rejected adding a school in the Mountain Time Zone as they would then have to travel between three time zones during the week for games.
A reconstitution of the Big 12 would need to be either to the east or the west, but not both. Add and poach BYU, UNLV, Arizona and Arizona State to the west, or Cincinnati, Louisville (basketball), and two other (Florida?) schools to the east, ETC. If we go west to BYU, expect WVa to leave. We also could consider former Big 8/12 schools - Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, who are not successful in their new conferences. See my new thread.
A reconstitution of the Big 12 would need to be either to the east or the west, but not both. Add and poach BYU, UNLV, Arizona and Arizona State to the west, or Cincinnati, Louisville (basketball), and two other (Florida?) schools to the east, ETC. If we go west to BYU, expect WVa to leave. We also could consider former Big 8/12 schools - Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, who are not successful in their new conferences. See my new thread.
And what I guess I’d say is that we can’t force the Big 10 or Pac 12 to take us. So if they won’t, then we have to make the best of a bad situation. But I understand your point. No matter what, our status is significantly diminished. At the end of the day for me though, I will always love ISU no matter where they land. If it’s not in one of the P4 conferences, I’d prefer to make the best we can of it. The fewer sports we have to cut, the better. The difference between the money in a new Big 12 versus the AAC might be our wrestling and volleyball programs for all we know.
Anyway, I get where you’re coming from.
Where are you seeing access to the cfp, where is that guarantee?
you guys are literally saying that 8 schools that lost half their tv money will somehow bring in schools that make 6-7 million from TV, and it will somehow even out to being competitive when the big 12 will literally be a minimum of 15 million a team behind even the pac 12.
that screams p5 conference.
These guys who have been hoping for it all to burn down are now busy trying to pretend what they want isn’t the death of Iowa State Athletics.
