I want to Believe

Are we the only living beings in the universe?

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Turn2

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For reference.



 

CloneIce

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Need at least two more choices in your poll. Don't Know, Don't Care.

I'd probably check both of those. I would start caring if we were made aware of legitimate sightings and evidence. I guess that is debatable.

Not sure if you just missed it, but we have been. Multiple ones, confirmed by the Pentagon, tracked on instruments. Complete with visual evidence through video taken by the Naval pilots.

The 60 Minutes segment on this tonight was great by the way. I recommend everyone check it out. They don’t have an explanation, but they are definitely real. If these crafts were actually made here on Earth... well I actually find that possibility more disconcerting. That would man one of our rivals has developed aerospace technology for superior to the United States military.
 

t-noah

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Not sure if you just missed it, but we have been. Multiple ones, confirmed by the Pentagon, tracked on instruments. Complete with visual evidence through video taken by the Naval pilots.

The 60 Minutes segment on this tonight was great by the way. I recommend everyone check it out. They don’t have an explanation, but they are definitely real. If these crafts were actually made here on Earth... well I actually find that possibility more disconcerting. That would man one of our rivals has developed aerospace technology for superior to the United States military.
Oh boy. Armageddon has a good ending right?
 

CloneIce

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Oh boy. Armageddon has a good ending right?

For Ben Affleck? Yes.

For Owen Wilson and Munitions Specialist Gruber? Not so much.

Armageddon doesn’t have anything at all to do with extraterrestrials or unknown flying objects though. Just a big dumb asteroid.
 
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t-noah

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For Ben Affleck? Yes.

For Owen Wilson and Munitions Specialist Gruber? Not so much.

Armageddon doesn’t have anything at all to do with extraterrestrials or unknown flying objects though. Just a big dumb asteroid.
I am a dumb asteroid. LOL.
 

CloneIce

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In this case, I say infinity x 0 = 0. Nope no life. I guess that somehow makes me conceited. I also have thousands of hours flying military aircraft know hundreds to thousands of military pilots, none of which has seen a UFO. The Navy is taking you for a ride.

Just curious why you would definitively believe that there is no life in a Galaxy as unfathomably large as our own, let alone the entire Universe?

Plus, we already know the correct equation is not Infinity x 0. We are here as well as the billions of other types of life that have inhabited our planet. The conditions that enable life on Earth are certainly not unique to our planet.
 

besserheimerphat

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My take is that of the planets we know of that are in the "sweet spot" relative to their sun, we have confirmed there is life on 100% of the ones we've been able to investigate. The others we know of are too far away for us to know if life like ours exists there. There's no evidence yet of planets that contain permanent liquid water not also supporting life.
 

CloneIce

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My take is that of the planets we know of that are in the "sweet spot" relative to their sun, we have confirmed there is life on 100% of the ones we've been able to investigate. The others we know of are too far away for us to know if life like ours exists there. There's no evidence yet of planets that contain permanent liquid water not also supporting life.

Yep. We are one for one. It seems kinda ridiculous to believe that none of the other billions (maybe more) of planets or moons in this situation developed life.
 

CascadeClone

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Yep. We are one for one. It seems kinda ridiculous to believe that none of the other billions (maybe more) of planets or moons in this situation developed life.

I tend to agree.

One thing is for sure, and others have said it better. If we find even basic life elsewhere, it means it is probably EVERYWHERE. And if we look and look and look and don't find it anywhere, that mean we (and the Earth) are incomprehensibly rare and special.

Either way, the implications are infinitely important. Other than having God show up and say "hi kids", I'm not sure what else could be more profound to human existence.
 
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Turn2

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Yep. We are one for one. It seems kinda ridiculous to believe that none of the other billions (maybe more) of planets or moons in this situation developed life.
The more we learn about extremophiles the more plausible the idea of panspermia becomes. That doesn't even encompass forms of life so unusual we might not even recognize them as life, or may challenge our definitions of life.


But as far as little green men flying around and landing on earth, well, just look how far man has travelled (~240,000 miles) versus how far a man-made probe from the '70's has travelled (>14 billion miles). If we are being visited it is probably by proxy or by means of "travel" we don't currently even grasp.
 

RealisticCy

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They see NO value in our species??? I beg to differ.
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....................sorry, what was the question again?
 

besserheimerphat

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The more we learn about extremophiles the more plausible the idea of panspermia becomes. That doesn't even encompass forms of life so unusual we might not even recognize them as life, or may challenge our definitions of life.


But as far as little green men flying around and landing on earth, well, just look how far man has travelled (~240,000 miles) versus how far a man-made probe from the '70's has travelled (>14 billion miles). If we are being visited it is probably by proxy or by means of "travel" we don't currently even grasp.
I'd heard an argument recently that we've been to Mars several times, but never with humans stepping foot on the red planet. Similarly, it would make sense that we would be visited by unpiloted drones that are collecting data. And without pilots, an autonomous vehicle is not limited by the biology of its creator - g forces, lifespan, life support requirements, etc. It's only limited by the properties of the materials.
 
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