HYSA recommendations?

matclone

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You have to hold 5 years or you pay a 3 month penalty. 12 months is the minimum hold time, but you’d pay penalty before 5 years.

The rate is not know, just guess from a few financial firms I follow that have some formula off Cpi. They have been pretty spot on for the last rate adjustments.
So then you've lost only 3 mos interest, right?

I've noticed that they've paid a higher rate than the high yield savings accounts. Don't know about TBills. Don't they require a substantial minimum?
 

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So then you've lost only 3 mos interest, right?

I've noticed that they've paid a higher rate than the high yield savings accounts. Don't know about TBills. Don't they require a substantial minimum?
Correct. You lose 3 months of interest as penalty. So if you would hold for 12 months at 6.9% you would get 6.9%*9/12 annualized.

No minimums on TBills you can get thru the same treasury direct website. You sign up for weekly auctions and you get something like the average of the daily bids. Last 6 month ones I bought paid 5.1.

Nothing against Ibonds, I’m heavily invested in them. Just they should be declining as inflation changes year on year are less drastic and they somewhat cumbersome to own. Their time was 12 months ago.
 

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Disagree 100%. If you want the big return, you have to have the big bucks to start with.

My local banks never hound me for transfer fees, or any other kind of load, unlike one of the guy who manages some of my investments. (boy, I hate that kid, but too lazy to look elsewhere, and those funds are back to making money now. Thanks, Biden.)

Also do a lot of investing with national companies online. They don't bug me, either, unlike that %^& Junior Barnes. Oy.

A lot of money here goes to boost local agriculture and local businesses. That's a good thing, and they DO support the community, no matter what you may think you know about them.

No, not Jimmy Stewart, but almost.
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Ally has a 11 month no penalty CD for 4.75% right now. Can withdraw after 6 days with no penalty.
 

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Correct. You lose 3 months of interest as penalty. So if you would hold for 12 months at 6.9% you would get 6.9%*9/12 annualized.

No minimums on TBills you can get thru the same treasury direct website. You sign up for weekly auctions and you get something like the average of the daily bids. Last 6 month ones I bought paid 5.1.

Nothing against Ibonds, I’m heavily invested in them. Just they should be declining as inflation changes year on year are less drastic and they somewhat cumbersome to own. Their time was 12 months ago.

Coming back to this since we now have more data - sounds like consensus is the new I bond rate should be around 3.8% (when including variable plus fixed rate). So any I bond purchased from Nov 22 to May 1 2023 should yield around 5.3% interest over the first year.

If my rough accounting is correct, cashing out an I bond purchased in this period 1 year after purchase would yield about 4.4% interest after the 3 month interest penalty is taken into account.

So you are right, one could definitely do a bit better with T bills (though they've come down a bit from their recent peak) or CDs right now.
 

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Coming back to this since we now have more data - sounds like consensus is the new I bond rate should be around 3.8% (when including variable plus fixed rate). So any I bond purchased from Nov 22 to May 1 2023 should yield around 5.3% interest over the first year.i-bond-rate-november-2022-may-2023

If my rough accounting is correct, cashing out an I bond purchased in this period 1 year after purchase would yield about 4.4% interest after the 3 month interest penalty is taken into account.

So you are right, one could definitely do a bit better with T bills (though they've come down a bit from their recent peak) or CDs right now.
Your math looks right.

This site has some useful information on this subject:
i-bond-rate-november-2022-may-2023
 
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Apparently GreenState Credit Union has one of the best in the country according to this

Curious where they are getting that rate info from. I see no where near that on their website: Savings Account Rates - GreenState Credit Union

I'm trying to find a new place for our savings myself. Currently with Capital One at 3.75% but seems like there are places out there offering rates in that 4.5-4.7% range when I've searched. The biggest pain is trying to find a place that maintains a consistent rate as have moved money around before only to eventually have to move it back somehwere later.
 

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Curious as to why someone would go HYSA versus this right now?

Primarily the vast majority of people do not have a brokerage account. There's also the reality of seeing your balance go down and reacting to it, versus the balance of a HYSA will never decrease (losses v inflation are real and an entirely different conversation for most).

While many treasury/bond ETFs/MMFs will get you access to your money in short order you cannot walk up to an ATM and withdraw in the vast majorty of cases.

My emergency fund is split between a CapOne HYSA and USFR. The expense ratio on that bond fund is quite high
 

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Curious where they are getting that rate info from. I see no where near that on their website: Savings Account Rates - GreenState Credit Union

I'm trying to find a new place for our savings myself. Currently with Capital One at 3.75% but seems like there are places out there offering rates in that 4.5-4.7% range when I've searched. The biggest pain is trying to find a place that maintains a consistent rate as have moved money around before only to eventually have to move it back somehwere later.
GreenState has a Rewards Checking Account that pays 2%.
I used to have some emergency funds in that account. They used to be at 2.5% back when interest rates were super low. You also have to do the whole 15 credit card transactions per month to get the 2% rate.
Now that rates have come up, they haven't adjusted so I moved my money to Ally.
 

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Primarily the vast majority of people do not have a brokerage account. There's also the reality of seeing your balance go down and reacting to it, versus the balance of a HYSA will never decrease (losses v inflation are real and an entirely different conversation for most).

While many treasury/bond ETFs/MMFs will get you access to your money in short order you cannot walk up to an ATM and withdraw in the vast majorty of cases.

My emergency fund is split between a CapOne HYSA and USFR. The expense ratio on that bond fund is quite high

Same here, we keep a certain ammount in a savings account to cover any unexpected expenses + some money to have on hand in case we had unexpected loss of income. I've been with my employer long enough now I'd get a year's worth of severance pay if I got laid off but I'll still always have 3-4 months of income sitting in savings in the extreme case you make an unfortunate mistake at work that resulted in a termination without pay. I do have a Schawb account that my financial advisor manages but I treat that more as long term investing and not liquid savings.

Just a balancing act of trying to save for retirement, kids 529 college savings, and paying down debt while having enough liquid savings on hand to cover any unexpected expenses. I just want make sure I am getting the best interest I can on my liquid savings account given the current rates. Long term goals are to be debt free by the time my oldest starts college and be in a position to consider retiring at age 60 or maybe at least partially retire and take on some kind of job where I can still add a little income without working a ton of hours for a few years in my early 60's.
 
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Curious where they are getting that rate info from. I see no where near that on their website: Savings Account Rates - GreenState Credit Union

I'm trying to find a new place for our savings myself. Currently with Capital One at 3.75% but seems like there are places out there offering rates in that 4.5-4.7% range when I've searched. The biggest pain is trying to find a place that maintains a consistent rate as have moved money around before only to eventually have to move it back somehwere later.
I'm at 5.1% right now