high school shot clock

[milrtym]

Is Valley still the biggest high school in the state? I don't think they can afford shot clocks since the WDM school district has to cut like $6 million dollars from their budget the next 2 school years. I know they decided to close one elementary school to help with that budget cut. I don't think displacing 180 students and eliminating 11 positions from a elementary school and then buying some shot clocks, so 15 kids can speed up play, would fly to well with the general public.

Having said that, I am all for the idea of a shot clock though.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Is Valley still the biggest high school in the state? I don't think they can afford shot clocks since the WDM school district has to cut like $6 million dollars from their budget the next 2 school years. I know they decided to close one elementary school to help with that budget cut. I don't think displacing 180 students and eliminating 11 positions from a elementary school and then buying some shot clocks, so 15 kids can speed up play, would fly to well with the general public.

Having said that, I am all for the idea of a shot clock though.

Not sure what part of WDM you're from.

 

[bigdaddykane]

i think all 4a schools can afford a shot clock if not they need it for state at least

 

[IAmNotTheMayor]

Other than soccer, is there any other game that has a game clock with no possession clock?

 

[Gunnerclone]

Other than soccer, is there any other game that has a game clock with no possession clock?

Yes.

 

[wcamnclone]

Other than soccer, is there any other game that has a game clock with no possession clock?

Hockey

 

[IAmNotTheMayor]

Yes.

Didn't really think that one through. I'm an idiot.

 

[acoustimac]

I wrote a letter to the IHSAA on this topic. I followed Lamoni all season and through their run to state. Against Mormon Trail (who they had decimated twice) the Saints (MT) were able to stall in an attempt to keep the game close. At the end of the first half they held the ball for 2:46 letting the clock expire without scoring. At state (Monday) Lamoni played a decent Belmond-Klemme team in the first round. Hanging on to a 2 point lead BK held the ball for 1:30 in the 4th quarter in an attempt to limit Lamoni's offensive chances. They essentially played Lute Olson's 4 corner offense he used at Iowa. Lamoni didn't do what it needed to do to win. That's not my point. But stalling is not basketball. The lack of a shot clock effectively neuters the good teams and is ruining the game. Something needs to change.

 

[HandSanitizer]

I talked to Bud Legg about this a couple years ago.


He said it comes down to cost and the majority of coaches don't want it.

But remember it was just like 15 years ago we were still using fanny backboards in Iowa.
20 years ago we were still playing 6 on 6 Girls


There are 373 schools in the state. Some schools have more than 1-2 Highschool gyms.
You would have to almost make the rule a "Varsity" rule so that schools would only have to worry about 1 Gym per High School. Then it would probably be 3,000 per school with Installation. Maybe more? You would have to talk a sponsor like "Farm Bureau" to donate with the help of the girls and boys unions. Probably would need 1-2 million to do it. Then no money comes from the schools.


The Final thing is the ADs don't want it. Its a pain in the butt to find following people run an event.
an official scorebook, Timer, Scoreboard with side stats, Trainer, PA, Music, Sweepers.
To add another clock runner would be rough. Plus shot clock is hard to run. You get all sorts of issues with whether the ball touched the rim or not etc...

 

[tm3308]

I talked to Bud Legg about this a couple years ago.


He said it comes down to cost and the majority of coaches don't want it.

But remember it was just like 15 years ago we were still using fanny backboards in Iowa.
20 years ago we were still playing 6 on 6 Girls


There are 373 schools in the state. Some schools have more than 1-2 Highschool gyms.
You would have to almost make the rule a "Varsity" rule so that schools would only have to worry about 1 Gym per High School. Then it would probably be 3,000 per school with Installation. Maybe more? You would have to talk a sponsor like "Farm Bureau" to donate with the help of the girls and boys unions. Probably would need 1-2 million to do it. Then no money comes from the schools.


The Final thing is the ADs don't want it. Its a pain in the butt to find following people run an event.
an official scorebook, Timer, Scoreboard with side stats, Trainer, PA, Music, Sweepers.
To add another clock runner would be rough. Plus shot clock is hard to run. You get all sorts of issues with whether the ball touched the rim or not etc...

Boo-*******-hoo. Dismissing the idea because of the cost is one thing. But I don't want to hear about how it would make the jobs of AD's tougher. Most of the ones I know don't do much of anything besides the bare minimum.

Music isn't a critical element at all, but it can easily be handled by putting on a playlist and pressing "stop" when it's time to start the game or second half. Any brain-dead monkey can handle that. At most of the smaller schools, there's very little need for a PA guy except for the starting lineups and telling people that someone left their lights on. They don't announce lineup changes, fouls, etc. like they might at 4A schools. Finding people to sweep the floor is easy: you have a couple JV players do it. If you don't want to do that, there are janitors there already. You don't need to find someone in the crowd who wants to do it.

Cost is one thing. But money aside, way too much is being made of the potential logistical issues.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

I'd be in favor. There was one game where my high school held the ball for 7min and 30sec, then set up a play and made the last second shot against our rivals. I was happy we won but it is a ******** rule

 

[wonkadog]

As a ref I vote no.

 

[HandSanitizer]

again...I want a shot clock as a player, fan and 50/50 on coaches.


As a ref and an AD I would vote no.
And I have tried to get people on the scores table for 1A, 2A and 3A and it sucks. Fricking sounds easy on paper but its not. Dude says "heck ya I will run the timer on that Carroll - Perry game." its 6pm and no sign of him. So you end up doing it. then your duties (taking care of the gate money, student section, refs etc..) get neglected because you are stuck at the table.
Just saying its not easy. Its just easier not to have one more level of complexity.

That being said....I want a shot clock because I think its a good idea.

 

[cloneswereall]

Boo-*******-hoo. Dismissing the idea because of the cost is one thing. But I don't want to hear about how it would make the jobs of AD's tougher. Most of the ones I know don't do much of anything besides the bare minimum.

Music isn't a critical element at all, but it can easily be handled by putting on a playlist and pressing "stop" when it's time to start the game or second half. Any brain-dead monkey can handle that. At most of the smaller schools, there's very little need for a PA guy except for the starting lineups and telling people that someone left their lights on. They don't announce lineup changes, fouls, etc. like they might at 4A schools. Finding people to sweep the floor is easy: you have a couple JV players do it. If you don't want to do that, there are janitors there already. You don't need to find someone in the crowd who wants to do it.

Cost is one thing. But money aside, way too much is being made of the potential logistical issues.

I'm also sure you know everything an AD at a school does since you played sports in middle school.

 

[Cyfan1843]

You'd think with the $ brought in from state highschool turny, split it between boys and girls both will use it and some savy fund raising I would think this could happen even at Colo Nesco

 

[HandSanitizer]

Also would like to point out that the title "AD" now means "Activities Director" not Athletic Director.

at the 1-2A level that could mean this person is an actual teacher, Drivers Ed Teacher and has to deal with all activities...not just sports.

 

[tm3308]

I'm also sure you know everything an AD at a school does since you played sports in middle school.

Because it's really hard to figure out what an AD does? Please.

 

[Agclone91]

Also would like to point out that the title "AD" now means "Activities Director" not Athletic Director.

at the 1-2A level that could mean this person is an actual teacher, Drivers Ed Teacher and has to deal with all activities...not just sports.

Because it's really hard to figure out what an AD does? Please.

Refer to the above quote. I don't know where you went to highschool, but in nearly all of the smaller schools the AD also has many more responsibilities. The AD where I went to school was also our highschool math teacher.

And yes, our school was small enough that we only had one highschool math teacher.