Hey Cyclone fans, Raider here (sorry for the long post)

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Just wanting to have some good conversation, and time killer, for the next two, long, weeks. ISU has had Tech's number the last couple of years, and last season was a real head scratcher for fans of Tech. We go into Norman, and beat then #1 ranked OU (which it turns out, they were over rated), and then, promptly come home, and get blown out by ISU, and every other team we played after that

As it turned out, that we later found out about, there was MUCH more going on behind the scenes after that OU win. A certain unnamed DC really said some things to the guys in the locker room, and that was the beginning of the end for that clown. The guys didn't respond to anything he said, or the way they were being coached, so unfortunately, it's like they just gave up in the middle of the season.

Fast forward to end of season, and this not-be-to-named DC was eventually fired, along with the DL coach, and OL coach. Tuberville went out, and hired some GREAT coaches in the off season. Fred Tate was brought in to coach the DL, John Lovett was brought in to coach secondary, Art Kaufman, was brought in to be the DC, and Chris thomsen was brought in to coach the OL.

So far this season, Tech has dominated everybody they have played, and really could've put up more ugly numbers against these teams. Has Tech played good teams? NO! Do we really know how Tech will do against Big12 caliber teams? NO! The only thing I know, at this point, is we have done what we were suppose to do, and that's to dominate teams. Not even in our BEST years did we dominate against all of the teams we were suppose to, and not even the best teams have dominated teams like they should this season. I think that's why Tech fans are a little more optimistic after such a disastrous season last year. New coaches, new attitude, new scheme, and a new outlook on things.

The defense is faster this season, and is having an easier time with a much more simplistic scheme. We went from a 4-2-5 base, to a 4-3 base, and it's something Tuberville has always worked with, along with the other defensive coaches. Tech now has 3 coaches on the defensive side of the ball who have been DC's in the past (obviously Tuberville, Kaufman, and John Lovett), and they all have a hand in designing the defensive gameplan. Plus, Chris Thomsen, the OL coach, was also former HC/OC at Abilene Christian, where he compiled a 53-18 record before moving on to Tech. He's a great offensive mind, so I wouldn't be surprised if he might somehow have a little input on some of the offense, or some of the new wrinkles that we are seeing this season.

Against UNM, our defense allowed less yardage (127 yards) than Texas allowed just the week before. So, we are hopeful that it isn't just because we have played bad teams, but that maybe it could be the result of new schemes, and attitude.

I think our only fear right now, defensively, is we still don't have a great secondary, and we haven't played a passing team, yet, so we don't know how they will respond when we do face teams who can throw the ball a little.

Hopefully, ISU will give us that experience. Not because that's your offense, but, because you will HAVE to throw against us.
 
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Cydkar

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Why wouldn't you help us out and name the DC? He got fired so what's the diff?

As for our game, I'm very concerned about our offense against a defense with a pulse. What i saw last night didn't make me feel any better.

Specifically, I'm not sure that I have faith in our QB and/or our OC. I'm not throwing them under the bus, I just haven't seen anything to make me feel warm & fuzzy.
 
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Wesley

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Nice to hear from you. I think our defense is 25% better especially in the secondary and our offense is 15% better than last year with a stable of running backs. Our special teams appear to be 25% better with Aaron Horne and Kirby Big Boom VMan. We have much more depth and now more rabid fans since OSU game. Both teams should be much improved.
 

CYlent Bob

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You have to admit, that freakin' game 2 years ago was the equivalent of a big summer blockbuster movie filled with explosions & catchphrases. Both teams had their offenses turned up to 11, but scoring on an onside kick? That's just CRAZY.
 

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I'm trying to figure out why we will HAVE to throw against Tech. I mean, we WILL throw some against them, but last year we racked up 368 yards on the ground. Granted, a lot of that was due to the fact that we didn't have to do anything but run the ball in the second half, but still. I find it hard to believe that Tech's rushing defense will be so vastly improved that we won't be able to get at least 200 yards.
 
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Why wouldn't you help us out and name the DC? He got fired so what's the diff?

As for our game, I'm very concerned about our offense against a defense with a pulse. What i saw last night didn't make me feel any better.

Specifically, I'm not sure that I have faith in our QB and/or our OC. I'm not throwing them under the bus, I just haven't seen anything to make me feel warm & fuzzy.


His name was Chad Glasgow. Before he came to Tech, he was the safeties coach at TCU, and had been there for about 10 years. He basically sabotaged a JUCO CB recruit that eventually signed with OU. It was a very, very bad situation when he was let go, and had to basically sign his life away to not "bad-mouth"Tech to recruits we were in on...like he had done before.

Gary Patterson welcomed him back with open arms, so he's now back as the safeties coach at TCU, which should just add more to that game...especially after we torch his secondary. And, I wouldn't expect Tuberville to let up much.
 

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Tech didn't play anyone with a pulse in the nonconference (they seem to always have a ridiculously easy nonconference schedule), so I think its hard to say whether or not they are much improved yet. Also not sure why you would think we won't be able to run the ball against you guys, I hope your not drawing that conclusion from how Tech has played against the cupcakes they've faced so far.
 
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I'm trying to figure out why we will HAVE to throw against Tech. I mean, we WILL throw some against them, but last year we racked up 368 yards on the ground. Granted, a lot of that was due to the fact that we didn't have to do anything but run the ball in the second half, but still. I find it hard to believe that Tech's rushing defense will be so vastly improved that we won't be able to get at least 200 yards.


Actually, I did say HOPEFULLY...and not that you WILL HAVE. It should be interesting, but hopefully our run defense IS that much improved. I know our DL is playing with much better technique, and so far they have been much improved.
 
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Tech didn't play anyone with a pulse in the nonconference (they seem to always have a ridiculously easy nonconference schedule), so I think its hard to say whether or not they are much improved yet. Also not sure why you would think we won't be able to run the ball against you guys, I hope your not drawing that conclusion from how Tech has played against the cupcakes they've faced so far.


Again, I did say HOPEFULLY!
 

ISUAlum2002

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Actually, I did say HOPEFULLY...and not that you WILL HAVE. It should be interesting, but hopefully our run defense IS that much improved. I know our DL is playing with much better technique, and so far they have been much improved.

Not because that's your offense, but, because you will HAVE to throw against us.

I'm hoping our rushing attack will be as effective as last year, but our guys have been having problems holding onto the football in key situations. That is my concern.
 
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Well, Tech can't come out of the gates slow like we have the last couple of years offensively. If we come out, and play our game, I think we can move to 4-0, and I'm sure you ISU fans are saying the same thing.

Tech is 3 deep at RB (all 3 will play quite a bit), and legitmately 8-9 deep at WR, and we have a TE (Jace Amaro) who can flex out, and cause all kinds of problems for corners, or safeties. Amaro, is 6'5 about 260 (was a #52 nationally ranked player). He's still learning, but we are getting him more involved in the offense each week.

Tech just so many different kinds of weapons that we didn't have last season. It's really going to be hard for teams to match up, and as long as Coach Brown calls a good game, and Doege can go through his progressions, we will continue to score points. I would thik thins game more closely resembles the 2010 game, then the 2011 game.
 

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Thanks for the post.

A lot of question marks, I think. Tech can obviously sling it around, but I feel pretty good about our defense. Doege is the real deal, and I still think our defensive pressure is lacking, so he'll have some time. Tech should be able to move the ball fairly well, but we can slow it down somewhat with our bend-but-don't-break philosophy. And this is the best DL that we've had in the Rhoads era, so we will get some pressure/sacks.

On the flip side, I feel pretty good about being able to move the ball on offense, too. TTU's D has some gaudy stats right now, but it's against no competition. The past two games between ISU and TTU tell a different story.

One big advantage that ISU has is "real" experience. Tulsa and Iowa are legitimate teams. Tech does not have that experience.

I think it'll be a fun, high-scoring game. I don't see any reason to favor Tech, although I imagine that most will buy into the hype and Vegas will favor the Red Raiders.
 

BallSoHard4Cy

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Tech has played 3 cupcakes and ISU has played 1. I have no idea why you think we can't run the ball/have to pass it. But hey, hopefully the TTU coaching staff thinks the same way and only gears for the pass. Then we'll blow you up on the run. Our RB future is sky high, proven by Nealy last night. He had 77 yards on 7 carries in the 3rd Qtr with the 2nd string o-line. Im gonna guess he has a big game against Tech if he gets the carries.
 

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