Haliburton a 1st Rounder in latest CBS Mock

[Frak]

His shot is slow with a low release point. That's not debatable. One might consider that easy to block, but you are entitled to your own opinion.

I actually think that he has a pretty quick release, it's just that it starts from such a low spot that it takes longer to get the shot off. I watched some of the game today and he was one of the only players that seemed more interested in team ball than getting his shots. Weber couldn't afford to take him off the court.

 

[CyCal]

Tyrese was team USA's best player in game 1...

34 points
89% FG
8 Assists
5 Steals
1 TO

I mean come on, that doesn't even seem real. Some other decent lines from team USA but nobody even close to that in the first game.

Sorry to be "that guy" but a couple things. This was game 2 the US beat New Zealand on Saturday. Also Haliburton scored 21 points, not 34. 34 was his player efficiency though, which is possibly even more ridiculous.

 

[CyCal]

Haliburton was a monster in this game. The only shot that he missed was a 30+ footer with a guy in his face as the shot clock was expiring. Other than that he was literally flawless from the field, and he had some really pretty passes. I hear people saying that he only makes safe passes, but he had some dimes through traffic in the paint and some nice fast break push-aheads, especially after made baskets. That three-quarter court pass while the camera was zoomed in on the dude from Lithuanua was right on the freaking money.

He lead the team in points, assists and steals and was far and away the best player on the floor today, after being one of the top two or three in the opener. He is also sporting a hefty 8-to-1 assist to turnover ratio after back to back 8 and 1 games.

For anyone who hasn't watched it, I would highly recommend it. All the games can be found on the fiba website. Here is a link to Sunday's game.

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/videos/LIVE-Lithuania-v-USA

 

[Cychl82]

Haliburton was a monster in this game. The only shot that he missed was a 30+ footer with a guy in his face as the shot clock was expiring. Other than that he was literally flawless from the field, and he had some really pretty passes. I hear people saying that he only makes safe passes, but he had some dimes through traffic in the paint and some nice fast break push-aheads, especially after made baskets. That three-quarter court pass while the camera was zoomed in on the dude from Lithuanua was right on the freaking money.

He lead the team in points, assists and steals and was far and away the best player on the floor today, after being one of the top two or three in the opener. He is also sporting a hefty 8-to-1 assist to turnover ratio after back to back 8 and 1 games.

For anyone who hasn't watched it, I would highly recommend it. All the games can be found on the fiba website. Here is a link to Sunday's game.

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/videos/LIVE-Lithuania-v-USA

He is absolutely killing it and I cant wait to see him in action this year!

 

[Go2Guy]

Haliburton was a monster in this game. The only shot that he missed was a 30+ footer with a guy in his face as the shot clock was expiring. Other than that he was literally flawless from the field, and he had some really pretty passes. I hear people saying that he only makes safe passes, but he had some dimes through traffic in the paint and some nice fast break push-aheads, especially after made baskets. That three-quarter court pass while the camera was zoomed in on the dude from Lithuanua was right on the freaking money.

He lead the team in points, assists and steals and was far and away the best player on the floor today, after being one of the top two or three in the opener. He is also sporting a hefty 8-to-1 assist to turnover ratio after back to back 8 and 1 games.

For anyone who hasn't watched it, I would highly recommend it. All the games can be found on the fiba website. Here is a link to Sunday's game.

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/videos/LIVE-Lithuania-v-USA

That's our Man ! Thanks for the link CyCal !!

 

[Rural]

I actually think that he has a pretty quick release, it's just that it starts from such a low spot that it takes longer to get the shot off. I watched some of the game today and he was one of the only players that seemed more interested in team ball than getting his shots. Weber couldn't afford to take him off the court.

It's just the skinny little kid shot, grown up.

 

[jsb]

Well the original comment was in regards to how his game and shot specifically would translate to the NBA. Not sure the U19 Lithuania team is quite the same. But still, awesome job out of Tyrese!

A fine Iowa state tradition of bashing our own players.

You’ve made your point. I suspect you are just insecure about him leaving next year and trying to make yourself feel better.

 

[83Clone]

If true, just one more selling point for Prohm to take on the recruiting trail. ABC

 

[LLCoolCY]

Haliburton was a monster in this game. The only shot that he missed was a 30+ footer with a guy in his face as the shot clock was expiring. Other than that he was literally flawless from the field, and he had some really pretty passes. I hear people saying that he only makes safe passes, but he had some dimes through traffic in the paint and some nice fast break push-aheads, especially after made baskets. That three-quarter court pass while the camera was zoomed in on the dude from Lithuanua was right on the freaking money.

He lead the team in points, assists and steals and was far and away the best player on the floor today, after being one of the top two or three in the opener. He is also sporting a hefty 8-to-1 assist to turnover ratio after back to back 8 and 1 games.

For anyone who hasn't watched it, I would highly recommend it. All the games can be found on the fiba website. Here is a link to Sunday's game.

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/videos/LIVE-Lithuania-v-USA

Tyrese really looks comfortable and appears to been accepted as a leader of the U19 team. That shouldn't be understated, a lot of the other members have been playing together in AAU and top evaluation camps for years. Hali due to being a late bloomer doesn't have those relationships taking that role should help his confidence to do the same for ISU next year, especially important with the new young Cyclones.
As for the minor criticism I see in this thread about his weight and shot not translating to the NBA, always remember that he is only 19 and the NBA drafts for potential. Teams will look at his length and 3% with off mechanics and believe they can work with both. You can teach size and length plus he is proving it can work in both the B12 and U19 against many players who will be in the NBA.

Mattise Thybulle went 21st to the 76ers, is 6'5" 195 and only shot 30% at Washington last year is a good comp. Tyrese if he continues on this path is worthy of being a 1st rounder (especially if he plays PG and shoots 43% from 3 again). Next year. It will be up to him if he thinks he comfortable jumping.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matisse-thybulle-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyrese-haliburton-1.html

 

[NorthCyd]

A fine Iowa state tradition of bashing our own players.

You’ve made your point. I suspect you are just insecure about him leaving next year and trying to make yourself feel better.

Yes, because suggesting there may be things he needs to work on to make it in the NBA is "bashing" the player. Careful, if you dont think every ISU player is perfect in every way the same predictable members of the "sunshine" club are going to throw a hissy fit and attack you. I'm not the one who has insecurities here.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Changing successful D1 players' shot form is an all-time CF pastime. It rarely happens and usually has nothing to do with their professional prospects.

Haliburton's form is unorthodox, but I wouldn't call it slow. His ability to get open and his deep range are more important than turning him into James Harden. He's never going to be a guy who looks for pull-up threes with a guy in his face. He's going to find space and hit open shots at a high clip, penetrate to find the open man, get into passing lanes, and make good decisions in transition. Just like he always has.

 

[srjclone]

Changing successful D1 players' shot form is an all-time CF pastime. It rarely happens and usually has nothing to do with their professional prospects.

Haliburton's form is unorthodox, but I wouldn't call it slow. His ability to get open and his deep range are more important than turning him into James Harden. He's never going to be a guy who looks for pull-up threes with a guy in his face. He's going to find space and hit open shots at a high clip, penetrate to find the open man, get into passing lanes, and make good decisions in transition. Just like he always has.

I agree with you here. I think the rip on his "slow shot" is more because he usually shoots when he is wide open lol, and he seems to take his time a bit when setting up his shot (it somewhat reminds me of the way our women's 3 point specialists shoot, and that isn't supposed to be a knock) He just realizes he has more time and makes sure everything is in line. He has gotten shots off in tight spaces, he just chooses not to shoot those "forced" shots as often.

 

[TBT]

 

[NorthCyd]

Changing successful D1 players' shot form is an all-time CF pastime. It rarely happens and usually has nothing to do with their professional prospects.

Haliburton's form is unorthodox, but I wouldn't call it slow. His ability to get open and his deep range are more important than turning him into James Harden. He's never going to be a guy who looks for pull-up threes with a guy in his face. He's going to find space and hit open shots at a high clip, penetrate to find the open man, get into passing lanes, and make good decisions in transition. Just like he always has.

I agree with you here. I think the rip on his "slow shot" is more because he usually shoots when he is wide open lol, and he seems to take his time a bit when setting up his shot (it somewhat reminds me of the way our women's 3 point specialists shoot, and that isn't supposed to be a knock) He just realizes he has more time and makes sure everything is in line. He has gotten shots off in tight spaces, he just chooses not to shoot those "forced" shots as often.

Sorry guys, his shot is slow, period. The setup is part of his shot. It's not to say he can't speed it up. I'm sure he can. Jake Sullivan mentioned a big thing he needs to do is be set and ready to take a shot as soon as he gets the ball.

Couple this with the fact his release point is low and he is going to need a lot of space to get his shot off, and in the NBA where everyone is bigger stronger faster the court plays even smaller. He's easy to chase off the line. It's a problem in a league that is becoming a 3 point dominated league.

My comments about his shot and not being aggressive with it are not new or original by me. They have been made by a lot of others who know more about basketball than I do.

 

[isufbcurt]

I'm getting worried TH might transfer to KSU to play for Weber since Prohm misutilizes his players.































Sarcasm

 

[Peter]

Changing successful D1 players' shot form is an all-time CF pastime. It rarely happens and usually has nothing to do with their professional prospects.

Haliburton's form is unorthodox, but I wouldn't call it slow. His ability to get open and his deep range are more important than turning him into James Harden. He's never going to be a guy who looks for pull-up threes with a guy in his face. He's going to find space and hit open shots at a high clip, penetrate to find the open man, get into passing lanes, and make good decisions in transition. Just like he always has.

He reminds me of a more nimble Malcom Brogdon. His ability to play point guard, play off the ball, and defend multiple positions will be attractive to any NBA team. High level starter IMO and probably the best NBA prospect we've had since Jamaal Tinsley.

 

[Cyientist]

He reminds me of a more nimble Malcom Brogdon. His ability to play point guard, play off the ball, and defend multiple positions will be attractive to any NBA team. High level starter IMO and probably the best NBA prospect we've had since Jamaal Tinsley.

Has anyone made a Klay Thompson comparison? Shooting forms no where near comparable, but 3 and D along with not needing to be the 1st option on the team line up.

 

[srjclone]

Sorry guys, his shot is slow, period. The setup is part of his shot. It's not to say he can't speed it up. I'm sure he can. Jake Sullivan mentioned a big thing he needs to do is be set and ready to take a shot as soon as he gets the ball.

Couple this with the fact his release point is low and he is going to need a lot of space to get his shot off, and in the NBA where everyone is bigger stronger faster the court plays even smaller. He's easy to chase off the line. It's a problem in a league that is becoming a 3 point dominated league.

My comments about his shot and not being aggressive with it are not new or original by me. They have been made by a lot of others who know more about basketball than I do.

Agree to disagree, does he have a slow shot at times, yes. Can and does he speed it up? yes. Does his efficiency go down when sped up? I don't know, I don't have those statistics, but I would have to assume yes.

I've played with plenty of people in my life who have had funky shots, and "slow" releases. Who have been able to make a good living for themsleves playing basketball, and didn't have nearly the hype TH has currently (or the intangibles). But, looking at his shot now and saying he won't be able to get it off in the league is not fair in my opinion.

 

[flynnhicks03]

Sorry guys, his shot is slow, period. The setup is part of his shot. It's not to say he can't speed it up. I'm sure he can. Jake Sullivan mentioned a big thing he needs to do is be set and ready to take a shot as soon as he gets the ball.

Couple this with the fact his release point is low and he is going to need a lot of space to get his shot off, and in the NBA where everyone is bigger stronger faster the court plays even smaller. He's easy to chase off the line. It's a problem in a league that is becoming a 3 point dominated league.

My comments about his shot and not being aggressive with it are not new or original by me. They have been made by a lot of others who know more about basketball than I do.

I guess somebody better let the NBA know that he is absolutely NOT ready!

 

[NorthCyd]

Agree to disagree, does he have a slow shot at times, yes. Can and does he speed it up? yes. Does his efficiency go down when sped up? I don't know, I don't have those statistics, but I would have to assume yes.

I've played with plenty of people in my life who have had funky shots, and "slow" releases. Who have been able to make a good living for themsleves playing basketball, and didn't have nearly the hype TH has currently (or the intangibles). But, looking at his shot now and saying he won't be able to get it off in the league is not fair in my opinion.

That's fine. We don't have to agree. I feel like my observations are pretty self evident and something I have heard and read about pretty much all season. I don't know why people are getting so butthurt about it.

Here's what comes up when you look at draft analysis for him. Obviously these are bloggers, so you can attack the validity of the source if you want. I do think the first link has an interesting take on what he sees as TH's path in the NBA.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/06/draft-notes-understanding-tyrese-haliburton/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ripcit...draft-prospect-profile-tyrese-haliburton/amp/