Game of Thrones Season 6
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This is my issue with the show. It "rushes" over certain story arcs to where they seem questionable, or the "new."
I'm never anyone who is a loyalist to cannon, but hbo got writers are NOT good at making stuff up in this world.
Sure the battle north of the wall was great action, beautiful even, but it was already lore of the cannon.
So an idea just popped in my head. Totally didn't steal this from Reddit or anything.
Remember when Maisie Williams did that 2 Truths and a Lie and one of her statements was "I'm in the trailers more than you think." What if that is a truth? In the trailer it showed Lannister men in the room where the Red Wedding happened. What if Walder in the trailer is actually Arya with Walder's face and she's rounded up everyone into the room and the Stark army is waiting outside the room to kill them all?
Remember when Maisie Williams did that 2 Truths and a Lie and one of her statements was "I'm in the trailers more than you think." What if that is a truth? In the trailer it showed Lannister men in the room where the Red Wedding happened. What if Walder in the trailer is actually Arya with Walder's face and she's rounded up everyone into the room and the Stark army is waiting outside the room to kill them all?
I don't know if Arya has figured out how to take/use someone's face. I couldn't tell if the bloody-face of the Waif that she left in the Hall of Faces was due to the fact that she hadn't learned how to remove them properly, if it was because she used her sword (Needle) or if she just left it bloody because the Waif was a *****. She only cleaned the bodies, but she observed Jaquen remove a face earlier this season so maybe it really is that easy? Or is there more to it?
The thing is, we don't know the extent of all her training so presuming what she can and can't do can be turned on its head any moment.
The vision Bran had while being dragged through the forest right before Benjen showed up is interesting. You see the Mad King saying to burn them all, then some wildfire shooting through the underground tunnels in Kings Landing. This didn't really happen though, as Jaimie killed him before he could follow through. Does Bran have the ability to see alternate realities or things that could have happened or was that a glimpse into the future? It would be interesting if Cersei tries to blow up the sept of baelor and ends up leveling the whole city. That throne and that city are what everyone's fighting to control. What happens if it's gone? Especially if the white walkers are invading.
Unless Tommen is killed by a white walker or something and comes back as a wight...
I'm with you though, I would assume the Hound or Jaimie. The book seems to push it towards Tyrion and that's Cersei's own suspicion but I think it's misdirection.
Perhaps his visions are like the visions from the house of the undying. "When you enter you will see things that disturb you. Visions of loveliness and visions of horror. Sights and sounds of days gone by, days to come and days that never were."
I have a strange possible theory. (1% chance maybe)
What if the show is trying to make us think that it's the Vale army or the Tully army that comes to aid the north when it actually turns out to be another army. Bare with me, Sam took hearts bane from his fathers house. Why? If he was heading to Olde Town, it makes no sense because his father would just march over there and take it. Sam also clearly doesn't have time to study with the maesters as we all speculate the walkers may make it to the wall before season end. Is it possible Sam heads north and Randall Tarly gathers his army (I know he doesn't need an army for Sam) and marches north only to find themselves in the middle of a battle? He see's that Sam fighting and decides to join out of respect for his son's bravery?
Like I said, 1% but it would be an unexpected twist.
Bottom line is, we know Jon has to win this battle one way or another, the real question is how it's done.
What if the show is trying to make us think that it's the Vale army or the Tully army that comes to aid the north when it actually turns out to be another army. Bare with me, Sam took hearts bane from his fathers house. Why? If he was heading to Olde Town, it makes no sense because his father would just march over there and take it. Sam also clearly doesn't have time to study with the maesters as we all speculate the walkers may make it to the wall before season end. Is it possible Sam heads north and Randall Tarly gathers his army (I know he doesn't need an army for Sam) and marches north only to find themselves in the middle of a battle? He see's that Sam fighting and decides to join out of respect for his son's bravery?
Like I said, 1% but it would be an unexpected twist.
Bottom line is, we know Jon has to win this battle one way or another, the real question is how it's done.
Even with the hyper traveling we've seen lately, I think it would be tough for Randall Tarly to get a whole army from the far South to the far North that fast.
Interesting to think about it being possible for another army to aid them though.
I'm still holding out for a Grand Northern Conspiracy with the Umbers and Karstarks turning on the Boltons at the opportune moment.
I think it's a possible future to show Bran what was actually in the jars. Otherwise they are just jars. When he sees them explode in green fire it hammers home exactly what it is and how much there is. Up to this moment there are very few people who know about the wildfire under KL. Bran was basically shown a way to kill the army of wights.
My problem with the wildfire being the rumor about which Qyburn and Cersei didn't know is this - Cersei knew and, I believe, discussed this store with Tyrion as her plans to throw it from the walls during Blackwater. Tyrion came up with the end solution, but Cersei absolutely knew about it: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Wildfire And even if she hadn't, which just isn't the case, watching most of the Bay blow up under it would have tipped her off to the existence.
Hence, she would have known that the alchemists' guild was involved, and so she could have easily sought out whether or not there was more around. Qyburn wasn't in KL at that time, so it could be argued that its existence would be a rumor to him, but Cersei wouldn't need to depend on him to research this covertly four seasons later.
I'm not saying Wildfire isn't the rumor, as the show has ignored things in the past like this before, but it would be incongruent.
That's a really interesting take. It would make sense that Sam took the sword to head North to help Jon, but it doesn't make sense for him to rush Gilly and baby Sam back to all that danger. Another thing I don't see happening is Randall Tarly giving Sam respect - if there is one thing we have learned in this show about Patriarch's, it's that they are incapable of change.
The last comment is one I have been thinking over for awhile. I think we all assume that the Knights of the Vale will make an appearance at this battle - but how will they participate? I could see something where Littlefinger helps depose Ramsay but then turns on the Starks. Cersei has already named him Warden of the North and told him to stop Ramsay, so while he may be helping Sansa and Jon, he is still helping the Lannisters.
Yeah, I don't know if that was the rumor or not. I just know that Bran had no idea about the wildfire before his vision.
We'll see what comes to pass with Cersei and Qyburn.
I had this same thought, I was under the impression that the wildfire stored under KL was common knowledge among Cersei and many other leaders, Tyrion, Tywin, etc. I could be wrong, or maybe it was a book thing, but didn't Tyrion even order more made for the battle? Maybe I'm just misremembering.
Yeah all the articles I have read on the Qyburn's little birds' rumors are about the amounts of wildfire in Kings Landing. Which makes sense, but my only real question with it is, why couldn't Qyburn go down and see for himself? Who in Kings Landing is talking/knows about the mass amounts of wildfire and is talking about it openly enough for Qyburn's birds to be lead to it? I feel like there are less than a handful of people that know of its possible existence.
I think it's been kept under wraps because the sheer amount of it is enough to destroy the whole city. The masses don't often take that as a good omen, especially masses under the influence of a "benevolent" high sparrow.
