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Unknown. It was definitely a popular fan theory, but he wasn't stabbed like that in the books. The attack on Dany was also much more subtle in the books (to start anyway).

Strong Belwas would have been a great addition to the show. He would have added comic relief to the story in Mereen, which can get pretty dour at times.
 

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This show has me so desensitized that burning a child didn't seem that over the top.

My main thought was "why are they burning her if they want her blood? Just slit her throat."
 

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This show has me so desensitized that burning a child didn't seem that over the top.

My main thought was "why are they burning her if they want her blood? Just slit her throat."

Or just use leaches again? Speaking of leaches, whatever happened to that bastard son of King Robert?
 

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Shireen roasting was much worse to me than the Sansa scene... I was a big Stannis fan. So wanting him to wipe the floor with the Boltons. Now? I am fine with them all dying in the battle in the snow. Or Littlefinger taking out the victors. Really interested to see how that storyline ends in the finale.

Dany scene was great. That entire long sequence was outstanding. The whole time I thought Jorah was going to die valiantly (or maybe Daario) but I was very happy to see them make it through. Drogon eating and burning the Sons of the Harpy.... loved it!

Next week is going to be crazy... is the finale going to be longer than normal? Because I feel like we have a lot of ground left to cover.
 

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I haven't read the books, but that scene didn't make sense at the time and still doesn't. It's just strange they put that in.

If you've spent significant time away from your wife/significant other, you understand the "urgency", although, admittedly, on top of your son's casket after his visiting is still weird. However, add on top of that Jaime as a POW in the Stark's camp and what he went through at Harrenhal, and Cersei thinking she'd never see him again, the urgency is probably even greater (keep in mind that in the books Cersei had her "monthly visitor" at the time which is even more disgusting). I guess what I'm saying is I understand the urgency, even if the circumstances are, for a lack of better terms, "odd".

Yes, wtf. The Unsullied are supposed to be master warriors, but they get their *** kicked constantly by untrained slave owners.

But awesome episode. I truly thought it would be a chill episode, setting up for the finale, but that Harpy battle was awesome.

Keep in mind the Unsullied are being caught off guard by the Sons of the Harpy, either by attacking when they're not expecting it (like earlier in the season when the Unsullied was slain in the whorehouse) or by attacking with such a great numbers advantage that the only play is to take as many with you before they get you (like what happened earlier in the season when Barristan Selmy was killed). I don't know. I guess I see what you're saying as akin to a Navy SEAL getting murdered during a breaking and entering of his home and then someone saying "He must not be that great of a SEAL because he got killed in a home invasion."

That thing that Tyrion says in the last episode to Danarys about her wanting the Iron Throne. And saying it's really not worth it. Watching what Stannis did just emphasizes that point. If you have to give up everything to get the throne, is it worth it?

The thing is, he didn't sacrifice Shireen for the Iron Throne, he sacrificed her for Winterfell. I get it, at this point Stannis has no hope of capturing the Iron Throne without the backing of the North, and with as much as many in the North hate the Boltons for how they betrayed the Starks, slaying the Boltons and taking Winterfell probably aligns much of the North with Stannis, and after Ramsay's raiding party things are desperate in Stannis' camp. But even if he slays and flays the Boltons, captures Winterfell, and gets all of the North behind him, there are no guarantees.

He still has to get through the Twins (which nobody has ever been able to do while the Freys hold that ground) and the rest of the Riverlands (which, in theory, are only aligned with the North now through the alliance of the Freys and Boltons where previously the alliance was much stronger through the Ned-Catelyn marriage - and interestingly enough the Tullys may still control Riverrun as Jaime Lannister is in Dorne instead of evicting the Tullys from Riverrun. Although technically Harrenhal has been decreed to be the seat of the Riverlands, which means it's actually Petyr Baelish that controls the Riverlands, and since Petyr's family originates from Braavos and it has been theorized that Petyr has familial connections with the Iron Bank, and the Iron Bank has already thrown their support behind Stannis, perhaps a Baelish-controlled Riverlands would support Stannis).

Wow, my mind is going in far too many directions at one time.

Bottom line is I'd have great difficulties accepting Stannis sacrificing Shireen to claim the Iron Throne - but that's not what he did. He sacrificed her to take Winterfell. That really gets to me.

Stannis is the father that drops you off after going fishing and tells you how much he loves you but you don't see him again for 10 years

That father you describe is a Father of the Year candidate compared to Stannis.

I agree with this. I see Davos leaving Stannis because of what he did to Shireen. Davos leaving will be the start of him getting back on the path which he is on in the books imo.

Does that mean there's still hope for Frey Pie?
 

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In the books Shireen is likeable, but in the show she is adorable so I was not happy when he burned her. This is really going to test Davos' loyalty to Stannis.

The Mereen scene was great. Arya's story is not as good as I had hoped, but still good.
 

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In the books Shireen is likeable, but in the show she is adorable so I was not happy when he burned her. This is really going to test Davos' loyalty to Stannis.

The Mereen scene was great. Arya's story is not as good as I had hoped, but still good.

To be fair, Arya's story in Braavos in the books isn't that great, either - at least not until the next book, based on sample chapters the author has released.
 

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If you've spent significant time away from your wife/significant other, you understand the "urgency", although, admittedly, on top of your son's casket after his visiting is still weird. However, add on top of that Jaime as a POW in the Stark's camp and what he went through at Harrenhal, and Cersei thinking she'd never see him again, the urgency is probably even greater (keep in mind that in the books Cersei had her "monthly visitor" at the time which is even more disgusting). I guess what I'm saying is I understand the urgency, even if the circumstances are, for a lack of better terms, "odd".



Keep in mind the Unsullied are being caught off guard by the Sons of the Harpy, either by attacking when they're not expecting it (like earlier in the season when the Unsullied was slain in the whorehouse) or by attacking with such a great numbers advantage that the only play is to take as many with you before they get you (like what happened earlier in the season when Barristan Selmy was killed). I don't know. I guess I see what you're saying as akin to a Navy SEAL getting murdered during a breaking and entering of his home and then someone saying "He must not be that great of a SEAL because he got killed in a home invasion."



The thing is, he didn't sacrifice Shireen for the Iron Throne, he sacrificed her for Winterfell. I get it, at this point Stannis has no hope of capturing the Iron Throne without the backing of the North, and with as much as many in the North hate the Boltons for how they betrayed the Starks, slaying the Boltons and taking Winterfell probably aligns much of the North with Stannis, and after Ramsay's raiding party things are desperate in Stannis' camp. But even if he slays and flays the Boltons, captures Winterfell, and gets all of the North behind him, there are no guarantees.

He still has to get through the Twins (which nobody has ever been able to do while the Freys hold that ground) and the rest of the Riverlands (which, in theory, are only aligned with the North now through the alliance of the Freys and Boltons where previously the alliance was much stronger through the Ned-Catelyn marriage - and interestingly enough the Tullys may still control Riverrun as Jaime Lannister is in Dorne instead of evicting the Tullys from Riverrun. Although technically Harrenhal has been decreed to be the seat of the Riverlands, which means it's actually Petyr Baelish that controls the Riverlands, and since Petyr's family originates from Braavos and it has been theorized that Petyr has familial connections with the Iron Bank, and the Iron Bank has already thrown their support behind Stannis, perhaps a Baelish-controlled Riverlands would support Stannis).

Wow, my mind is going in far too many directions at one time.

Bottom line is I'd have great difficulties accepting Stannis sacrificing Shireen to claim the Iron Throne - but that's not what he did. He sacrificed her to take Winterfell. That really gets to me.



That father you describe is a Father of the Year candidate compared to Stannis.



Does that mean there's still hope for Frey Pie?

Casting calls for season 6 don't suggest Manderly will be appearing. I'm assuming the mission from Manderly will somehow arrive to Davos to his journey to the Wall or at the Wall.
 

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In the books Shireen is likeable, but in the show she is adorable so I was not happy when he burned her. This is really going to test Davos' loyalty to Stannis.

While I like Shireen from the books, I'm more interested in Patchface and why he scares Mel.
 

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Did Dany's husband arrange the Sons of the Harpy attack? I think they implied it when he was running late to the slave pits and he said he had to get some things in order. I'm pretty sure he was killed though by one of the Harpys though.

Unknown. It was definitely a popular fan theory, but he wasn't stabbed like that in the books. The attack on Dany was also much more subtle in the books (to start anyway).

Either way I was okay with that weasel getting the knife. I am going with the "he guilty" opinion although we may never know the answer.
 

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While I like Shireen from the books, I'm more interested in Patchface and why he scares Mel.

I know, oh I know.

Patchface was a character that I hoped would appear in the show, because I think the show could do a great job of showing how absolutely creepy his is. He could have been nightmare fuel on the show, had they included him.
 

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Casting calls for season 6 don't suggest Manderly will be appearing. I'm assuming the mission from Manderly will somehow arrive to Davos to his journey to the Wall or at the Wall.

I don't actually think Frey Pie will happen in the TV series now for several reasons. First, the real opportunity to do it has already passed as it should have been done at Ramsay's and Sansa's wedding feast. Instead, the wedding and feast are long past, the marriage has long been consummated, and Stannis is preparing to invade Winterfell. When exactly would it happen now? Second, the Freys have all but disappeared from the TV series (outside of Roose Bolton's wife). Makes sense, as much of the Freys appearances in the books are when Jaime is claiming the Riverlands from the Tullys and what goes on at White Harbor among the Manderlys, Freys, and Davos. Not saying they don't find a way to work it in, but they'd really have to try at this point.
 

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Did anyone think it was odd that Jorah touched Dany's hand when he has greyscale?
 

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Yes, but doesn't the part with greyscale have to touch the other person to infect them? Also, didn't pay attention to what hand he used. The greyscale is on the left forearm and he touched here with his right?

That could be. I don't remember exactly how it was described in the books for transmission, so that's definitely possible.
 

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Did Dany's husband arrange the Sons of the Harpy attack? I think they implied it when he was running late to the slave pits and he said he had to get some things in order. I'm pretty sure he was killed though by one of the Harpys though.

Yes, but doesn't the part with greyscale have to touch the other person to infect them? Also, didn't pay attention to what hand he used. The greyscale is on the left forearm and he touched here with his right?

Trying to recall if he had his arm bandaged up. Seem to think he did.
 

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That could be. I don't remember exactly how it was described in the books for transmission, so that's definitely possible.

A way out there theory could be, he's always had it and its cured, similar to Shireen. There's nothing to suggest that but nothing to rule it out either I guess. Can someone go back and check his forearms and let us know :)
 

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So book readers, what plot lines are left in the books that's not in the show? Arya and Davos? It seems like everything else the show has passed already.

Once the show is past, I'm gonna read non-stop spoilers. **** reading 5,000 pages of describing what they ate for dinner.
 

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So book readers, what plot lines are left in the books that's not in the show? Arya and Davos? It seems like everything else the show has passed already.

Once the show is past, I'm gonna read non-stop spoilers. **** reading 5,000 pages of describing what they ate for dinner.

It's semi-possible that Sam and Gilly still sort of fulfill that storyline, although obviously not with the Maester.
 

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So book readers, what plot lines are left in the books that's not in the show? Arya and Davos? It seems like everything else the show has passed already.

Once the show is past, I'm gonna read non-stop spoilers. **** reading 5,000 pages of describing what they ate for dinner.

not many. Mereen is caught up with the books. Kings Landing has a little yet. So does the North. But not so much that it couldn't all be in the next episode. After that, it's all uncharted territory.
 

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