Dodge Reveals EV Muscle Car

[Gorm]

That Prowler? They always look fun.

Yep! I've owned a 300m for the better part of 10 years. However, it was my daily commute car and I ended up selling it when they moved me to remote.

A Prowler is basically a 300m's drive train but rear wheel drive and in an aluminum shell. I've always wanted to own one.

To be transparent, I've been on the Mopar bandwagon since 2003. Currently own 2 RS models until I get into that Prowler.

 

[Clonehomer]

Then you have two systems to pay to manage, negating the benefit of an EV with much less parts that can fail. Plus you have to haul around two systems, so extra weight, making both way less efficient. I'm not saying there aren't benefits, but there is definitely a tradeoff.

The infrastructure is growing every day to support EVs. If you drive a Tesla, you already don't really have to worry about driving across the country (unless you're in extremely remote areas). Their Supercharger network is fast and reliable and if you own your own home and/or have access to a plug, you charge 99% of your trips at home.

As long as you're near a HyVee here in Iowa.

I'm not saying it isn't going to get there eventually. But here in the Midwest, the infrastructure isn't there to say that you can completely ditch ICE's

 

[CYEATHAWK]

He's full of **** and being a jackass. They were doing this crap a few years ago with our large racing haulers (RV's) in Iowa. The was one particular officer up in the Highway 3 area (Waverly to Independence) that we all knew by name. Then a few racers went to the Iowa legislature and got the Motorsports RV law passed so they would quit harassing us.

What made me almost laugh in his face is when he was done.........he handed me a bunch of CDL information. You know the stuff for commercial drivers........and then told me to get my truck inspected.

I said it's one ton pickup....not a Freightliner. He didn't care and wrote it as a warning.

 

[BryceC]

As long as you're near a HyVee here in Iowa.

I'm not saying it isn't going to get there eventually. But here in the Midwest, the infrastructure isn't there to say that you can completely ditch ICE's

Again, how much do you people drive? There isn't really anywhere I would go where I wouldn't be able to charge again at night for the vast majority of my life.

 

[Jer]

So what is the difference between PHEV and a normal hybrid? I know PHEV you plug in, does the normal hybrid only self-charge?

 

[Clonehomer]

So what is the difference between PHEV and a normal hybrid? I know PHEV you plug in, does the normal hybrid only self-charge?

PHEV also has a gasoline engine that kicks in when you run out of battery power. So you can drive for 20-30 miles on battery alone.

 

[Jer]

PHEV also has a gasoline engine that kicks in when you run out of battery power. So you can drive for 20-30 miles on battery alone.

I thought all hybrids also had a normal gas engine? Sorry, I haven't done any research into hybrids in the past - are all hybrids PHEV?

Background - I do 2-3 year leases each time for a Toyota Highlander Platinum and there is always a hybrid option. My prior understanding was those would usually handle 20-30 miles and then kick over to gas - but I never researched to see if you had to plug them in or if the hybrid batteries charged while on gas.

Sorry, I know it's probably a really stupid question to some.

 

[Clonehomer]

Again, how much do you people drive? There isn't really anywhere I would go where I wouldn't be able to charge again at night for the vast majority of my life.

Just driving to Ames and back from Eastern Iowa would be at the edge of these ranges. Especially when it gets cold.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Again, how much do you people drive? There isn't really anywhere I would go where I wouldn't be able to charge again at night for the vast majority of my life.

Does it matter? If I want to jump in the car and go into town to a movie........or take a road trip just because I can, is it anyone's else's business?

Regardless......like you said before......there is room for both.

My retired dad has a tool around EV and a ICE pickup for everything else. No big deal.

This doesn't have to be an either/or issue.

 

[CloniesForLife]

So what is the difference between PHEV and a normal hybrid? I know PHEV you plug in, does the normal hybrid only self-charge?

You can drive fully electric for usually 30-50 miles and then it just becomes a normal hybrid. Perfect solution to do your daily commuting as an EV and have a gas engine for long road trips.

 

[BryceC]

Does it matter? If I want to jump in the car and go into town to a movie........or take a road trip just because I can, is it anyone's else's business?

I think it matters if they are complaining about range anxiety. If they don't travel much, they shouldn't have that issue, and then it's their problem.

 

[Clonehomer]

I thought all hybrids also had a normal gas engine? Sorry, I haven't done any research into hybrids in the past - are all hybrids PHEV?

Background - I do 2-3 year leases each time for a Toyota Highlander Platinum and there is always a hybrid option. My prior understanding was those would usually handle 20-30 miles and then kick over to gas - but I never researched to see if you had to plug them in or if the hybrid batteries charged while on gas.

No. Traditional hybrids will charge the batteries on board using the ICE so you almost always use the gas for trips. Just less.

PHEV's operate in between hybrids and EV's. They're a hybrid that can also charge the battery with an outlet so for short trips you can avoid gas completely.

 

[simply1]

I thought all hybrids also had a normal gas engine? Sorry, I haven't done any research into hybrids in the past - are all hybrids PHEV?

Background - I do 2-3 year leases each time for a Toyota Highlander Platinum and there is always a hybrid option. My prior understanding was those would usually handle 20-30 miles and then kick over to gas - but I never researched to see if you had to plug them in or if the hybrid batteries charged while on gas.

Sorry, I know it's probably a really stupid question to some.

PHEV is plug-in electric specifically, non plug-in use ice to charge. Like most of the Priuses you see don’t have much if any range without ice.

 

[simply1]

Maybe jeep will solve the wilderness issues haha

Jeep 4xe Charging Network Will Power EVs At Trailheads Across U.S.

Electric vehicles are getting their time in the sun. And in other outdoor locations.

www.forbes.com

 

[Jer]

Based on that, it seems like PHEVs would have been a smart, natural, and perfect solution to the transition pains (charging network, process, and battery efficiencies, etc) of normal combustion engines to fully electric vehicles. Of course, it making sense is probably why it didn’t catch on quite as much – and I assume it’s much harder to fit in both technologies in a cost-effective way.

On the range anxiety piece - it is easy to think about those times when you travel to KC, MN, Colorado, etc, but for most families, that is once or twice a year at most. I’d love to have a hybrid for the other 360 days a year when I put on at most 30 miles a day commuting and running errands. People will get more comfortable as they hear about things from friends, family, and colleagues.

As our leases renew over the next 2 years, we’ll probably consider an EV or PHEV for my wife and then I’ll move from the ICE Highlander to the hybrid Highlander unless/until they come out with a PHEV version. That sort of arrangement sounds like a logic one for most families.

 

[simply1]

Based on that, it seems like PHEVs would have been a smart, natural, and perfect solution to the transition pains (charging network, process, and battery efficiencies, etc) of normal combustion engines to fully electric vehicles. Of course, it making sense is probably why it didn’t catch on quite as much – and I assume it’s much harder to fit in both technologies in a cost-effective way.

On the range anxiety piece - it is easy to think about those times when you travel to KC, MN, Colorado, etc, but for most families, that is once or twice a year at most. I’d love to have a hybrid for the other 360 days a year when I put on at most 30 miles a day commuting and running errands. People will get more comfortable as they hear about things from friends, family, and colleagues.

As our leases renew over the next 2 years, we’ll probably consider an EV or PHEV for my wife and then I’ll move from the ICE Highlander to the hybrid Highlander unless/until they come out with a PHEV version. That sort of arrangement sounds like a logic one for most families.

Rumors I’ve seen are the grand highlander will be plug-in hybrid.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Based on that, it seems like PHEVs would have been a smart, natural, and perfect solution to the transition pains (charging network, process, and battery efficiencies, etc) of normal combustion engines to fully electric vehicles. Of course, it making sense is probably why it didn’t catch on quite as much – and I assume it’s much harder to fit in both technologies in a cost-effective way.

On the range anxiety piece - it is easy to think about those times when you travel to KC, MN, Colorado, etc, but for most families, that is once or twice a year at most. I’d love to have a hybrid for the other 360 days a year when I put on at most 30 miles a day commuting and running errands. People will get more comfortable as they hear about things from friends, family, and colleagues.

As our leases renew over the next 2 years, we’ll probably consider an EV or PHEV for my wife and then I’ll move from the ICE Highlander to the hybrid Highlander unless/until they come out with a PHEV version. That sort of arrangement sounds like a logic one for most families.

If most people had a PHEV that covered 30-50 miles all electric I wonder what that would do to daily pollution?

 

[VTXCyRyD]

That’s thing got a hemi?

I just learned that Tesla owners aren’t required to mount front plates in the state of Iowa because the maker is a vain jackass and didn’t include a place. A bill that passed says if you need to modify your car you don’t need it but must carry it in your car.

Maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t like laws that don’t apply to everyone.

When did this bill get passed? I haven't been running a front plate for a couple of years and just thought I was getting lucky.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

When did this bill get passed? I haven't been running a front plate for a couple of years and just thought I was getting lucky.

It didn’t. I was corrected. Your are indeed getting lucky but also I don’t think they can pull you over JUST for this violation.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I find the whole "sounds just as loud as a gas fueled muscle car" to be hilarious. Wow, listen to the speakers on that car!

The article says its not a speaker.

"Rather than just using a speaker to play synthetic motor noises, the chambered exhaust is similar to a pipe organ, pumping air through a series of tubes to create a sound...

"Throttle position, speed of opening of the throttle, whether you're shifting, whether you're not shifting, load of the engine, whether you're decelerating, all of the inputs that go into making the difference in sound today, we need to then pipe those in through an algorithm to create the movement of air," Kuniskis explained."