Man this has gotten long.... I haven't read a single post on this topic.
I'll answer the OP's question with another question.
Derek Zoolander: How bout I answer your question with another question; how many abo-digitals do you see modelling?
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Easy there, Rockafeller...
I know plenty of people that work very hard in the service industry that would hardly call their jobs ******.
I still maintain that the condescending nature of your ideals doesn't help paint a pretty picture of you being a good customer.
Good customer? The very nature of that comment is probably laughable to the owner of whatever restaraunt you work at. If you would like any kind of info before you make such a judgement, I tip very well when the service is good. Good service equals 20% (maybe more if the bill is small). As an example, my regular breakfast joint (which I go to because they have good servers) typically gets $5 on a $20 tab. My weekly taxi ride to the airport is $12 on the meter, I give the guy $20 if he is pleasant and tell him to have a nice day. Tips for oor service is based on a sliding scale down to zero. I don't require much, just a pleasant attitude that shows my business is appreciated (by far the biggest decider), getting my order correct, staying on top of drink refills in a restaurant, and fixing anything that goes wrong. That's not unreasonable and I'll be damned if I'm going to be guilted into giving money for poor or just barely adequit service. If that makes me a "bad customer" then so be it.
I'll add that the service people's attitude that they are entitled to a good tip regardless of service level paints a pretty grim picture of their work ethic. Whatever happened to striving for excellence, doing your very best knowing that in the long run you'll get further regardless of any minor hiccups (the occasional poor tipper) along the way? If you do your best every day and still get stiffed on tips, it's probably best to find a new job.
I'm happy to hear you are doing well enough to afford to be able to tip well. Thanks for telling everyone how generous you are. Being King S of T Mountain has to be a glamorous gig and one day I hope I can attain such a lofty goal...xoxoxoxoxo
In other news...Yes, Veronica there is such a thing as a bad customer and no matter how hard you tip, you can't use that magic green eraser to undo a divatastic attitude that you (henceforth the royal you, fwiw) might present to a member of the service industry.
The customer isn't always right, (s)he can sometimes be an arrogant snob that no amount of service would please. If it were my restraunt, I would hope that my excellent product would outweigh any kind of mispercieved sin of service that they may or may not have suffered and that they would be replaced with a customer that appreciates what goods/services I would offer.
Also, haven't worked in the service industry in 10-15 years...even then it wasn't a tippable gig. I was a fountain boy at Hickory Park. I had a very well defined right forearm that was the butt of much masturbatory themed tomfoolery. I still know all the recipies for all the sundaes....go ahead, try me out!
Its alright. The credits I've made for just asking the question have almost earned back 0.001% of what I lost betting on the world cup.
On a slightly more serious note, there have been some good responses.
#1 I posted a ton in this thread while being called cheap and a poor customer by several. My last resort was to give real world examples. Obviously that didn't matter as you turned good tipping into something bad. Shocking such a reasonable person as yourself would do such a thing..... There is no speaking logically with you.
#2 Wow. You seem to be stuck using the occasional "bad" customer as the rule (and, of course, anybody that disarees with your all-knowing opinion is a bad customer) and completely ignoring the poor servers. The restaurant is serving food and service. If his/her servers are running off customers, you'd better believe they are going to have a problem with it. I wont go to a place with good food if they have bad service.
First I'm a bad customer because I don't tip well (you could magically tell), when you find out you were wrong then you twist it to I'm a bad customer because I somehow have a bad attitude? You must be a fun person to speak with in real life. Regardless, I'm jumping off your whacky-logic merry-go-round. If I'm a bad person for expecting a person to earn their money, I can live with that. The paradigm has seemed to work pretty well for the better part of our countries history.
If servers can't understand why people aren't going to give them money for doing nothing, why are they working as waiters?
I would venture to guess that a vast majority of people tip appropriately, especially in Iowa.
None the less, it all part of the job. If a few bad apples are going to ruin how you treat all your costumers, than you need to find a new job that does not involve customer service at all.
#1 I posted a ton in this thread while being called cheap and a poor customer by several. My last resort was to give real world examples. Obviously that didn't matter as you turned good tipping into something bad. Shocking such a reasonable person as yourself would do such a thing..... There is no speaking logically with you.
#2 Wow. You seem to be stuck using the occasional "bad" customer as the rule (and, of course, anybody that disarees with your all-knowing opinion is a bad customer) and completely ignoring the poor servers. The restaurant is serving food and service. If his/her servers are running off customers, you'd better believe they are going to have a problem with it. I wont go to a place with good food if they have bad service.
First I'm a bad customer because I don't tip well (you could magically tell), when you find out you were wrong then you twist it to I'm a bad customer because I somehow have a bad attitude? You must be a fun person to speak with in real life. Regardless, I'm jumping off your whacky-logic merry-go-round. If I'm a bad person for expecting a person to earn their money, I can live with that. The paradigm has seemed to work pretty well for the better part of our countries history.
If there is a server who isn't doing anything, then you have a point - that wasn't at all my post, however? And I guess it's probably better if someone who has no options works as a server, than not at all...
This thread has just been going around in circles for 14 pages. Again, I guess I don't understand why people don't just realize that they can do whatever they want, as long as they're aware that it's going to result in their food prices going up in the long run? It sucks for those of us who aren't cheap that our food prices are going to go up because others don't follow the system, but that's what you get for going out to eat.
Maybe I am missing something so please help me. But how will bad tipping make the food prices go up? Its not like if the waiter gets short changed the business pays them extra. The business is making the same money whether or not the waiter gets a good or bad tip.
If the servers don't make enough in tips somewhere, they won't work there unless the owners of the business increase their wage. In order to increase those wages and still make profits, the owners have to increase revenue received on the items for which they charge (i.e. food and drink).
If the servers don't make enough in tips somewhere, they won't work there unless the owners of the business increase their wage. In order to increase those wages and still make profits, the owners have to increase revenue received on the items for which they charge (i.e. food and drink).
i figured thats where you were going to go with that. But its my opinion that this wouldn't happen an a significant scale because there will always be a supply of servers for the restaurants to choose from.