Daily article about Cael.

[tazclone]

This is not the same at all. Cael wasn't even from Iowa. Yes, he did go to school here and won more than anyone ever. Yes, he did coach here after he was done. However he felt it was in his best interest to leave. He didn't owe ISU anything. If anyone owes, ISU should owe him for everything that he accomplished and the exposure he gave wrestling and ISU. He also didn't take those kids with him. After Cael left, they chose on their own to leave ISU. Just like hundreds of kids do after they leave when the head coach leaves that recruited them.

All to often people on this board take things way to personal about ISU. People need to remember that it is a business and shouldn't blame others for making decision on what is best for their own family. I think we all would take a new job if it was the best decision for their own family.

Wrestling was big at ISU long before cael and will be long after he is gone. cael is not ISU wrestling.

 

[tazclone]

You're right, ISU wrestling was nothing before Cael. - Did you talk to my wife? She has a habbit of reading into things I say. Did I say that ISU wasn't anything before Cael? Nope. Did I say that Cael did a lot for wrestling and ISU as far as exposure? Yep.
And BS he didn't take those kids with him. You are delusional if you think otherwise. - I must be delusional then. There is no way Cael went to those kids and said that they had to leave ISU. They chose on their own to follow the coach that recruited them. I'm sure if they felt like they wanted to stay, they could've stayed at ISU.

Maybe since your wife and averyone on this board misunderstood you, it os how you communicate that is the problem...Just saying

 

[jdoggivjc]

What he said is not off-base. People who still can't get over Cael leaving and are still complaining about it look like crybabies. It's time to move on.

Why would they do that? I mean, these are the same people that still can't get over Gene Chizik spurning us for Auburn when everybody knew going in Chizik wasn't here for the long run.

Okay, personally I'm still not happy with the way it went down (flat out lying to the community about it and blaming ISU alone for his 5-19 record), and I do cheer against Auburn, but I haven't been bitter about it for a long time.

Some fans are still bitter about Chizik to the point of being obsessive, and this is a guy that never had any connection to ISU beyond using it as a stepping stone. Of course they're going to treat Cael this way...

 

[TitanClone]

One, I have not heard anywhere that JP wasn't willing to match whatever salary PSU offered Cael. So it wasn't the money. Second, your scenario fails because we aren't just talking about leaving a job you have no personal connection to. It's more like if you worked for your family business for all your life, you'd already given your parents assurances that you wanted to take up the reins after they left and they'd made special arrangements for you to do so, and then, after a couple years, you decided it was too much work and went to go work somewhere else, taking with you all your family's old clients and their best employees. I'm not saying someone doesn't have the right to do that, but I think that is a more accurate analogy.

What was it? You sound like you know. I didn't say it was the money. I was trying to convey the fact that none of us know the entire story. Also, have you heard he was willing to match? I haven't heard anything either way.

I'll put a twist on your family business story. Father(Pollard) and son(Cale) get into a fight. Things are said out of emotion and rash decisions are made. Son moves on to something else. Again, just saying no one knows all the details.

I understand what you're getting at with that analogy, but it is completely different. Family = lifetime. Cael + ISU = 4 years + 3 years. Big difference.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Why would they do that? I mean, these are the same people that still can't get over Gene Chizik spurning us for Auburn when everybody knew going in Chizik wasn't here for the long run.

Okay, personally I'm still not happy with the way it went down (flat out lying to the community about it and blaming ISU alone for his 5-19 record), and I do cheer against Auburn, but I haven't been bitter about it for a long time.

Some fans are still bitter about Chizik to the point of being obsessive, and this is a guy that never had any connection to ISU beyond using it as a stepping stone. Of course they're going to treat Cael this way...

Myself, I don't really care about Chiz. Actually it never really bothered me. What he did was the norm. He never had any reason to be here other than to coach. Cael and Chiz were two totally different situations.

 

[CyBobby]

I think it hit the nail on the head. He sold out his alma mater for more money and a better chance at getting big recruits. You can spin it any way you want, but that's what happened. I don't blame the guy, it's just the way it is.

I agree cyfan... great cael er Grate Cael (he sure grates on isu fans) sold out Ia State fandom so he could win a natl title somewhere, hellsbells, anywhere that he could do it.....

 

[Clonefan94]

I'm sorry, this is one of the reasons I fear for major sports at Iowa State, there is always a group of people ready and willing to forgive. Let's get ****** about it, let's do something about it. Let's do what we can to make this the place people want to be. Instead of the 'Ol, "We're ISU, this is all we ever will be. I don't blame him for leaving." I am sorry, but it is not right. Leaving is one thing and bad enough, but taking the entire team with you is another though.

 

[azepp]

Myself, I don't really care about Chiz. Actually it never really bothered me. What he did was the norm. He never had any reason to be here other than to coach. Cael and Chiz were two totally different situations.

I agree with this. I wasn't too burnt up about Chizik, though I didn't care for the way he handled the whole situation. But in then end, it wasn't a surprise and I wasn't too sad about him leaving.

I was much more upset about Cael leaving. But the operative word in that sentence is 'was'. ISU wrestling was fine before Cael came along. Sure, he hurt the program when he left. But if we can't get the program back on track without him, why is that his fault?

 

[RayShimley]

What was it? You sound like you know. I didn't say it was the money. I was trying to convey the fact that none of us know the entire story. Also, have you heard he was willing to match? I haven't heard anything either way.

I'll put a twist on your family business story. Father(Pollard) and son(Cale) get into a fight. Things are said out of emotion and rash decisions are made. Son moves on to something else. Again, just saying no one knows all the details.

I understand what you're getting at with that analogy, but it is completely different. Family = lifetime. Cael + ISU = 4 years + 3 years. Big difference.

OK, I see your point, but I never said Cael was a bad human being for what he did to ISU. He's just a bad Cyclone.

I'm sure that doesn't bother him, but I think you should be able to understand why it bothers so many in Cyclone Nation.

 

[Madclone1]

LOL, should I take my Cyclone Wrestling Club membership and season tickets with me?

Go ahead . . I'll join the Cyclone Wrestling Club and buy season tickets to cover down for you. We don't need "passives" supporting KJ and our wrestlers.

 

[Judoka]

Go ahead . . I'll join the Cyclone Wrestling Club and buy season tickets to cover down for you. We don't need "passives" supporting KJ and our wrestlers.

Forget that, I'd take a donation from Brands himself. Any backing is good backing.

 

[bosco]

Myself, I don't really care about Chiz. Actually it never really bothered me. What he did was the norm. He never had any reason to be here other than to coach. Cael and Chiz were two totally different situations.

The way I feel about Cael is the same way Michael Corleone felt about his brother Fredo in The Godfather II.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcFlp6kl508]YouTube - Godfather II: You broke my heart Fredo[/ame]

 

[CyPride]

You're right, ISU wrestling was nothing before Cael.

And BS he didn't take those kids with him. You are delusional if you think otherwise.

Agree 100% on the part of taking the kids with him. He could easily just say to the kid that they needed to honor their scholarship to ISU and move on without them.

 

[LutherBlue]

Go ahead . . I'll join the Cyclone Wrestling Club and buy season tickets to cover down for you. We don't need "passives" supporting KJ and our wrestlers.

You've been nursing a two year boner for Cael but just now getting around to joining the CWC? Better late than never, I guess.

 

[jbhtexas]

Agree 100% on the part of taking the kids with him. He could easily just say to the kid that they needed to honor their scholarship to ISU and move on without them.

This is not permitted in the Brands model for winning a championship...

 

[WalkingCY]

I think it was right on the money. Nothing harsh at all about it.

Totally agree. It's the truth.

 

[Judoka]

This is not permitted in the Brands model for winning a championship...

Come on, you can't expect these guys to win a championship with only one recruiting class per year, right?

 

[cyclonespiker33]

I feel like i should be allowed to be angry and disappointed in what CS did. Look at some of the other coaches... Christy Johnson-Lynch has been offered other good jobs but declined bc she takes pride in what she has here. Do I expect PR or FH to take another job at a school with about the same potential that they have here? No! They have pride in this school. If they left everyone would be up in arms. It should be the same situation and standards with Cael

 

[rebecacy]

Saw this in today's Iowa State Daily. I felt like it was a little too harsh on Cael and I'm just wondering what everyone else thinks.

Cael Sanderson sold out - Iowa State Daily: Sports

Good article - I agree completely.

 

[Cytom5]

I will honestly say I have no idea what happened with Sanderson Was it a money deal?