It would also hurt Iowa as well See Oklahoma State and Oklahoma basketball crowds since the arrival of the Thunder.
Chargers Moving to Los Angles
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It would also hurt Iowa as well See Oklahoma State and Oklahoma basketball crowds since the arrival of the Thunder.
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Interesting:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ws-was-a-trial-balloon-a-p-r-blunder-or-both/
So, maybe not a done deal? I can't imagine an NFL team playing in a 30,000 seat stadium. That's less than half of the size of any other NFL franchise not in Oakland.
I think LA can support an NFL franchise. I read somewhere that even with the mediocre numbers the Rams experienced this year, they still brought in more money than they did in St. Louis. I just think it can't happen overnight. It's got to be built slowly.
The NFL needs to slowplay LA, and it sounds like many of the owners want it slow played, but Spanos doesn't need their approval to move his team anymore.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ws-was-a-trial-balloon-a-p-r-blunder-or-both/
So, maybe not a done deal? I can't imagine an NFL team playing in a 30,000 seat stadium. That's less than half of the size of any other NFL franchise not in Oakland.
I think LA can support an NFL franchise. I read somewhere that even with the mediocre numbers the Rams experienced this year, they still brought in more money than they did in St. Louis. I just think it can't happen overnight. It's got to be built slowly.
The NFL needs to slowplay LA, and it sounds like many of the owners want it slow played, but Spanos doesn't need their approval to move his team anymore.
The NFL is putting up 300 million for the Chargers to build in San Diego and the relocation fee is 650 million... I would think that 950 million would buy a pretty nice stadium... a stadium that Spanos would own. I don't get why you wouldn't want to own your own house rather then rent from Kroenke.
I've lived in LA in a pretty central location for 2.5 years now. It's really dumb for them to go from 0 to 2 teams and the two teams playing in the same stadium.
I get the math that it's a huge metro, but it very obviously is a smaller SPORTS metro than Chicago where I lived the previous 14 years. The LA metro is so spread out that it's misleading to even assume everyone in the metro will consider these two teams part of their community with them playing in the same spot. A second team in the West or North Chicago burbs would draw better consistently the same way sports radio ratings are higher in Chicago than LA. Unless they are counting on tourists going to games this city does not have enough sports fans to support two NFL teams in the same location.
Last year at the gym I heard this conversation that sums up sports in LA: "You going to watch the Superbowl tonight?" "No, I don't really like basketball."
As a designer by trade I'd also say it's incredibly stupid if one of these teams doesn't completely change their look. They are practically the same team if you squint. Since the Rams have more LA history I'd suggest the Chargers change their name and colors completely if I were running them.
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LA is a great area. Some bad parts, just like any other huge metro.
I don't think 2 teams will thrive there. By thrive I mean consistent full stadiums. They all make money off of the TV deals and corporate boxes and what not. A lot of transplants and there is so much more to do.
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That's the decision, isn't it?
a couple things, though. 1) 950 million doesn't buy as much stadium as it used to. Most stadiums cost well over a billion. And in SoCal, I can't imagine land prices are cheap.
2) I doubt the league really wants him to build his own stadium. Public funding for stadiums is becoming a hotter and hotter topic. The league has done well in dealing with cities, with the threat of "publicly fund the stadium or lose your team." If Spanos built his own and stayed in San Diego, after voters soundly rejected public funding, it would be a blow to that bargaining chip. I don't think the NFL wants that precedent set.
I'd imagine that Orange County would be a better location if they really did move, though I have no idea where they'd find the land for the stadium and parking. There's nothing near Angels Stadium/Honda Center without buying up huge chunks of land.
Agree on both. LA is an incredible city, I like living here better than Chicago and I really liked Chicago. Agree with you that maybe the teams will make money but it won't be by consistently putting butts in the seats.
I was BLOWN AWAY that tickets to see the Cubs/Dodgers playoff games could be easily had for $50 and somewhere around 60% of the park was Cubs fans, compare that to what playoff tickets for any of the 5 franchises in Chicago go for. A second NFL team in Chicago would easily have more fans in the seat than a second NFL team in LA...but maybe you're right that it might not generate more revenue just by that.
Plus, Iowa's kind of a saturated market as it is. Because you can realistically be a KC, Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, or LA (due to St. Louis) fan. And those people aren't going to change their fandom just because Des Moines gets a team.
Edit: and because I'm a nerd I just wanted to look at numbers: of the 33 metropolitan areas (32 NFL teams and Des Moines) in this scenario, we are 32nd. Only Green Bay is smaller. And even if you assume that everyone in Iowa would automatically switch to be a Des Moines fan, we would still be smaller than the metro areas of 18 NFL teams, and 16 if you assume split SF-Oakland in half due to there being two NFL teams there
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NFL wonders why ratings are down. Do they really think fans see teams moving around as a positive?
This is far from their biggest issue, but I don't think it helps in anyway with fan engagement of the product.
This is far from their biggest issue, but I don't think it helps in anyway with fan engagement of the product.
Yeah, Ducks and Angels work because of location. If the Ducks and Kings both played at Staples I think their viability plummets. (suspend belief that 4 winter sports franchises can share one building) When the Clippers were thinking of moving there I think it would have done wonders for them. Plus with the Chargers any fans who stay loyal really wouldn't have the team be moving that far for drive time. Driving from SD to OC isn't really that different than a Bears fan in Aurora or Naperville going to a game at Soldier Field.
Has little to do with general fanbase size. No doubt we could pack any stadium.
The problem: there is nowhere near the corporate dollars available for sponsorship and high ticket suites/sections that need to be filled and are what really make teams money. Another problem, new stadiums are $billion to build. Unless Dennis Albaugh wants a stadium to go with his private golf course, ain't happening.
And as mentioned, fans are squeezed already on sports dollars. How do you think ISU fairs in the future if it now has to complete with fans supporting an NFL team too?
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ratings actually rebounded pretty nicely after the election.
Let me quess, Fargo will get a team as well for the dome, and LakeBison is the owner
I agree and I should have worded it that putting up 950 million makes it a hell of a lot easier to ask for the remaining 300 or so million to get to a level that Levi's Stadium cost. Basically a funding model similar to what was done in Dallas and yes... I am aware the Chargers aren't the Cowboys but the precedent is there.
Whenever I hear owners threaten to move their teams I still laugh about the Bears threatening to move to Gary, Indiana and "Planet Park" in 1994.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. A more realistic drive for existing fans and less overlap with trying to compete with the Rams. The OC is big enough to support a team on its own.
