Campbell and the field

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I would not recommend changing from natural turf. The artificial stuff comes with its own problems and the state had unusually wet conditions this year.

I live in Columbia Missouri and when Missouri changed for field turf the excuse was they couldn't grow grass at the football stadium. That was a lie - the real reason was so they wouldn't have to pay a crew to maintain the natural turf. Missouri has also had some nasty knee injures since installing the artificial stuff. One year most of the o-line was out with knee injuries before the season started.

Poor weather always benefits the underdog and poor field is probably the same thing so I understand Campbell's frustration but be careful what you wish for.
 

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I would not recommend changing from natural turf. The artificial stuff comes with its own problems and the state had unusually wet conditions this year.

I live in Columbia Missouri and when Missouri changed for field turf the excuse was they couldn't grow grass at the football stadium. That was a lie - the real reason was so they wouldn't have to pay a crew to maintain the natural turf. Missouri has also had some nasty knee injures since installing the artificial stuff. One year most of the o-line was out with knee injuries before the season started.

Poor weather always benefits the underdog and poor field is probably the same thing so I understand Campbell's frustration but be careful what you wish for.

So the wishes to do what is necessary to keep a successful coach in a sport that we have traditionally been awful at, is bad?
 

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We may have lost 2 starters last night to grass. And we kept maybe our most important defensive player out due solely to grass.

Whatever CMC wants be it grass, turf or asphalt.

Speaking of that, how are Meeker and Spears anyway.

I thought I'd heard both had ankle injuries and would be ok for the bowl, but is that accurate?

Ankle injuries can last for a while. I wonder if either of these 2 will be 100% for the bowl?
 

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Speaking of that, how are Meeker and Spears anyway.

I thought I'd heard both had ankle injuries and would be ok for the bowl, but is that accurate?

Ankle injuries can last for a while. I wonder if either of these 2 will be 100% for the bowl?

Both appeared to be ankle injuries and both gingerly walked to the locker room
 

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It is up to Campbell and JP. I trust they will do what is in the best interest of the football program. I can see Campbell’s desire to have a consistent playing service.

As far as some peoples concern about homefield advantage. I think just look at the TOE. I can’t think of a team better suited for a hayfield but they still have a pretty good homefield advantage since putting in turf.

I love the grass, but if Campbell and the football program are going to benefit from field turf. Fine with that.

It would suck for the few horticulture students, but I have good friends that graduated in that program, they did not work on the football field. They got good jobs still. So it won’t break the program.
 
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Why do I bother asking anything on here?

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Based on the thread title I thought this was going to be about betting odds for Urban’s replacement.
 
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Grass is OK for high schools and NFL, but not ISU? Keep in mind, this is the only game we have ever played at home in December. Help me out on this - I was at the Tulsa Liberty bowl. We were dominating, up by 2 scores in the first quarter, then the rain came and ISU completely fell apart. ISU had an indoor practice facility, Tulsa did not. Yesterday, we were outplayed by a 41 point underdog in the rain. Again, I assume Drake doesn't have an indoor practice facility. Does ISU ever practice in the rain or mud or do they stay indoors every time?

THIS!!!!
 

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Grass is OK for high schools and NFL, but not ISU? Keep in mind, this is the only game we have ever played at home in December. Help me out on this - I was at the Tulsa Liberty bowl. We were dominating, up by 2 scores in the first quarter, then the rain came and ISU completely fell apart. ISU had an indoor practice facility, Tulsa did not. Yesterday, we were outplayed by a 41 point underdog in the rain. Again, I assume Drake doesn't have an indoor practice facility. Does ISU ever practice in the rain or mud or do they stay indoors every time?

This does not go along with my original post but I am going to go ahead and comment on it. I will again comment that I love Iowa States Grass surface and hope we keep it, but I am starting to debate whether it is the best option.

So in regards to your comment. High school and NFL do not have much in common with D1 football as far as the season and field maintenance. First of all High school is done except for the playoffs by the beginning of November. So as the field is going dormant and starting to take damage in late Oct. they are finishing up.
Edit: I also want to note Iowa State has played games in JT many many times Nov. 26-30 plus Dec3 at KSt so It is not unusual to play late games, unless you think a day or 2 means something.
In the NFL, you have things like they have in Green Bay. They have full heating systems under the field, Green bay runs grow lights over the field the entire season. They keep the field tarped over and blow hot air in to keep snow from accumulating on it. They have state of the art drainage and irrigation. They have natural grass with synthetic fibers weaved into it to get the best of both worlds.
So yes it is just fine for High School and NFL.
Can it work at Iowa State and other colleges, Yes, has it worked, Yes. Can it continue to work Absolutely. Was it the reason we struggled yesterday, partly, but not totally. Should we consider other options, probably, but those options may also include a more advanced natural field. Something that takes some of what the NFL does but not to that extreme. Is that the overall best option instead of artificial turf, maybe, maybe not.

But in all was that what this post was about, not really, it was more about, whether or not CMC was displeased with the field and if that was a signal he did not like the natural grass surface and would want to switch to turf. And if that was the case do people think we would switch to turf. Or at this he is displeased and we realize we need to rehab the natural surface to an upgraded natural surface and subsurface, to continue to have the best natural surface in the country. I just dont know if CMC likes the natural grass just hasnt been happy because of the condition the last few weeks and the deterioration or that he is displeased and would rather have turf.
 

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From earlier in the thread it sounds like the major problems were they didn't spend the time or money to set up the groundwork properly before installing the new turf years ago, and then put off replacing the turf a year or two after its usable life, longer than they should have.

Guess what? Artificial turf doesn't solve those kinds of "maintenance and management" problems. If you don't install the artificial turf properly, and then put off replacing it a year or two past its usable life, you're going to have a really bad artificial playing surface.

It just seems to me that the bigger issue isn't necessarily a natural vs artifical issue, it's that the AD took a gamble in trying to saving money by cutting costs by cutting corners, and a really poor season weather-wise destroyed a playing surface that was already overdue to be replaced.
 

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From earlier in the thread it sounds like the major problems were they didn't spend the time or money to set up the groundwork properly before installing the new turf years ago, and then put off replacing the turf a year or two after its usable life, longer than they should have.

Guess what? Artificial turf doesn't solve those kinds of "maintenance and management" problems. If you don't install the artificial turf properly, and then put off replacing it a year or two past its usable life, you're going to have a really bad artificial playing surface.

It just seems to me that the bigger issue isn't necessarily a natural vs artifical issue, it's that the AD took a gamble in trying to saving money by cutting costs by cutting corners, and a really poor season weather-wise destroyed a playing surface that was already overdue to be replaced.
Yeah I learned that too, that was something I didnt know. Which made me feel that those in charge will sit down and come up with a plan moving forward to do it right moving forward. I was curious if CMC had a preference, but it is probably a moot point.
Learning this it does make me wonder now if they spend some money and upgrade the subsurface system and upgrade the grass to what some of the NFL uses with the synthetic weave for added structure and support etc. I know they wont do something to the extent the NFL does but adding some of the tech and upgrades that have been developed would probably be a good idea.
I guess we will see how it plays out, but learning that it is overdue for a rehab, and they didnt do the sub grade etc before, makes be believe a substantial rehab of the field will be done before next season. I guess we will have to see.
 

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SIAP, near as I can tell 18 NFL teams have grass and 13 have artificial and the trend has been towards grass.

Pretty sure not all NFL grass stadiums are using the Packers model.

While you’re not going to get muddy on turf, are some on here saying you can cut like normal on artificial when it’s wet/cold/icy? You don’t watch much football if that’s the argument. I see games on artificial all the time where players slip and it’s dry as a bone.

OP, regarding what CMC, thinks, no clue ;)