Cam Lard and rebounding regression

FinalFourCy

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My thoery on Lard is that everyone is so bad at keeping guys in front of them that it causes him to constantly challenge shots bringing him out of position. He certainly challenges too many shots he has no chance of even influencing, but he has guys coming at him constantly and it's learned behavior at this point. Jacobsen, on the other hand challenges very few shots and rebounds marginally better.
Jacobson also is better at helping the guards prevent needing a challenge.
 

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I personally would love to see Lard start. Jacobson understands his fundamentals and what he's trying to do, he's just athletically limited and I feel you're going to get similar results from him over 20 minutes whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Lard on the other hand really feeds off the flow of the game, so when he's coming in cold off the bench and the other team's had 8-10 min to get in a rhythm and figure out our guards can't stop penetration, he's barely had time to blink and he's got a guy coming at him that's blown past a guard or gotten free around a pick. Regardless of everything they might've worked on in practice, his instincts just kick in and he goes for the challenge which turns out poorly 75% of the time.

If you let Cam start and get into the flow of the game while the other team is doing the same and everyone's still feeling each other out, I think he'll get in a much better rhythm early and you won't see such a high percentage of feast or famine block attempts.
 

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We all realize rebounding is a pretty hot button issue right now. I was curious to see how Lard has been doing rebounding this year since last year he was a rebounding machine. I was pretty shocked to see how much he has regressed as a rebounder.

2017-2018 Season
  • Total Rebounds - 234
  • Per 40 Rebounds - 12.2
  • Offensive rebounding % - 14%
  • Defensive rebounding % - 19.3%
  • 2nd in the Big 12 in Offensive rebounds
  • 4th in Big 12 in average rebounds per game at 8.1

2018-2019 Season
  • Total Rebounds - 53
  • Per 40 Rebounds - 8.6
  • Offensive rebounding % - 9.8%
  • Defensive rebounding % - 14.5%
  • Outside Top 10 in the Big 12 in Offensive rebounds
  • Outside the Top 10 in Big 12 in average rebounds per game

For Lard's career, he's had 8 double doubles. All happened last year. He has had 15 games of 9 rebounds or more, all happened last year. His highest rebound total this season is 6. When you look at this top 25 rebound total games, only 2 have happened this season. Absolutely bonkers the cliff he has fallen off in terms of rebounding. And sure he isn't playing as many minutes this year as last year, but even his per 40 numbers and rebound %'s are lower this year than last. Probably a big reason for our rebounding issues.

I think we used Solomon to box out and whoever was down there with him to go get it (Solomon is great at that).
 
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He’s certainly getting caught out of position, as suggested by the nearly 40% OReb percentage when he’s on the court. It’s going to be tough to maintain the DReb rate with that performance. I wouldn’t say that’s due to when Lard being in that the team defends the perimeter more, but rather the opposite. Lard is feast or famine in on-ball screen defense.

Wait you’re blaming Cam Lard for all the offensive rebounds ISU is giving up?
 

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I personally would love to see Lard start. Jacobson understands his fundamentals and what he's trying to do, he's just athletically limited and I feel you're going to get similar results from him over 20 minutes whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Lard on the other hand really feeds off the flow of the game, so when he's coming in cold off the bench and the other team's had 8-10 min to get in a rhythm and figure out our guards can't stop penetration, he's barely had time to blink and he's got a guy coming at him that's blown past a guard or gotten free around a pick. Regardless of everything they might've worked on in practice, his instincts just kick in and he goes for the challenge which turns out poorly 75% of the time.

If you let Cam start and get into the flow of the game while the other team is doing the same and everyone's still feeling each other out, I think he'll get in a much better rhythm early and you won't see such a high percentage of feast or famine block attempts.

Yeah, but if Lard starts and gets 2 quick fouls, then Jacobson has to play the rest of the half.
 

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Yeah, but if Lard starts and gets 2 quick fouls, then Jacobson has to play the rest of the half.

I think what I mentioned is a big contributing factor to his quick fouls. When he started last year, he didn't have near the foul trouble he's had this year, but even if I'm wrong, I'm fine with Prohm being forced to play Conditt for a few spurts as well. His redshirt is most likely burned at this point and in the limited minutes he's played, he seems to be improving a lot from earlier in the year, so I really don't see an opponent going on a big run just because we put Conditt in for 5 min.

The last 15 minutes of the game Monday were the best we've looked in a long time and combine that with the fact we're 27 games into the season, I don't foresee Prohm changing anything. With that being said, at this point we're really not playing for anything other than NCAA seeding, so it would be nice to see him tinker with things down the stretch just to see what it looks like, if for no other reason than to confirm what he's seeing in practice.

The only bad loss we could have even if we went 0-3 to finish the season and lost 1st round in the Big XII tourney would be at WVU, and even that would be a quadrant 2 game, which isn't terrible. I by no means want us to lose any games, but if it gives us more style flexibility in the tournament and makes us less match-up dependent, I'm all for seeing what tinkering with some lineups looks like.
 

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I understand the thought process that everyone wants to look at our bigs and try to figure out why they aren't rebounding. But the problem is our guards. The guards aren't stopping penetration, forcing the big to help or give up a layup. And our week side rotations, which are almost always a guards responsibility simply are not happening. Rotations are so slow or non existent, that the guard isn't even in a good position to consider blocking out, they are on the wrong side! Watch the tape from the last few games, I think we can all pick up on the fact that nobody is stopping ball. We don't have a single player stopping anyone right now. But watch our weak side rotation. Some of our players appear completely disinterested in doing the work to be in the correct position. Games like OK when we shoot well, it doesn't matter but it won't hold up in a tourney setting very long.
I do agree with this. Our guards let a lot of easy drives to the basket and that means our lone post needs to provide help defense which creates lots of problems.

A bigger guard like Shayok or THT is now needed to rebound.
If there is a rebound to be had, it is a short rebound and those lend themselves to easy offensive boards and quick put backs.
Our bigger guards could have been defending in the perimeter and can't get in to paint, block out, for a short rebound.
 
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I agree with IASTATE4LIFE...Our guards are not stopping dribble penetration much at all, leaving our bigs to collapse on the penetrator and be out of position on rebounds......