Burton

[GT25Ump]

As I've said before, Burton will be our most frustrating player, for the entire season. Yes, he has his high points, but I'm all about consistency and knowing what to expect, if possible. He's always going to be a "hit or miss" and if the coach isn't prepared to deal with that at all times, it will hurt the team. Why he played so much in the second half, when he was dead offensively and always dead defensively, is beyond me. Just disappointing.

 

[GT25Ump]

And how many minutes did Donovon Jackson play in the second half, after scoring 16 in the first half? ARGH

 

[awd4cy]

And how many minutes did Donovon Jackson play in the second half, after scoring 16 in the first half? ARGH

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[isucy86]

Calm down. Burton is a star who's a bit of a head case. We'll get games like Wednesday and games like tonight for the rest of his time here. I'm more focused on how many recruiting misses Prohm has had in just the two classes he's brought in so far. No Holden, Carter, and barely any Young tonight. And obviously the back court is crowded, but jakolby Long is doing nothing for us outside of practice

Your questioning Prohm's recruiting lost ALL credibility when you wrote "Burton is a star". Star players are the best player on the court 80-90% of the time. Not sure how to describe Burton's game. Eratic, mecurial, inconsistent, rollercoaster are some terms that come to mind.

I don't think we can be too critical of Prohm's recruiting yet. He was hired in June 2015. So they got a late start recruiting the class of Young, Long, Lard, Kasonga & Malou. I would consider Babb & Jackson as Hoiberg/TJ recruits, I think we won't be able to judge that group or the group of Wigginton, Lewis and McNeil until next season.

I give the staff a pass on Carter, Holden and Bowie. Cater was a late signee after issues at SMU and sometimes coaches need to take risks on grad transfers if they have big holes. Which we did with Malou not making it to campus and Lard not being eligible.

 

[Gunnerclone]

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That's a travesty. And I don't think we even made any change until about the 13 minute mark in the second half. I'll say it again, really poor coaching/management today Prohm got abused by Dixon.

It's one thing I dislike about mid major hires they are too stuck in their ways because they've had success at lower levels but their ways aren't as good as the top top level P5 guys and they don't adapt or try to change things up on the fly.

 

[awd4cy]

That's a travesty. And I don't think we even made any change until about the 13 minute mark in the second half. I'll say it again, really poor coaching/management today Prohm got abused by Dixon.

It's one thing I dislike about mid major hires they are too stuck in their ways because they've had success at lower levels but their ways aren't as good as the top top level P5 guys and they don't adapt or try to change things up on the fly.

I'm glad Prohm atleast admitted it in the postgame. Tells me he might learn from it. Hopeful he does.

 

[isucy86]

I didn't get to see the game on T.V. but heard on radio. TCU getting 50+ points in the paint says it all. Why doesn't this team try switching to zone if we are getting hammered in the paint and smoked on the boards? Why not Babb, Burton, and Young defending the paint and rim in a zone?

Agree. Sometimes it it is harder to rebound when in a zone, but Eric &John mentioned we were getting killed on the pick&roll. Going to a zone might have taken that motion away from TCU.

 

[CloniesForLife]

We already know that Deonte is wildly inconsistent. It's up to Prohm to manage his minutes better

 

[clonehenge]

In the Texas game before Burton started going off someone on the Texas bench said something to him, you could see him turn and say something back. When he hit the 3 towards the end of the first half he stared at their bench and did it a few other times as well.

He seems to play better when he's got a chip on his shoulder or he's trying to prove something...they need to figure out a way to tap into that side of him.

 

[Messi]

In the Texas game before Burton started going off someone on the Texas bench said something to him, you could see him turn and say something back. When he hit the 3 towards the end of the first half he stared at their bench and did it a few other times as well.

He seems to play better when he's got a chip on his shoulder or he's trying to prove something...they need to figure out a way to tap into that side of him.

Bring him off the bench?

 

[WastedTalent]

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Oh wow, I did not know that. That's bad.

But I could see where it's difficult to find extended minutes for DJ. Against a team with size, he can really only come in for Monte or Naz. Naz was playing fairly well, and you just can't sit Monte.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Oh wow, I did not know that. That's bad.

But I could see where it's difficult to find extended minutes for DJ. Against a team with size, he can really only come in for Monte or Naz. Naz was playing fairly well, and you just can't sit Monte.

Seems like Prohm let TCU dictate our gameplan tonight. TCU isn't much different than OSU with a hyper fast point and a tall white guy in the middle and a few other ransoms but our lineup rotations and minutes were completely different against TCU I saw a complete failure in gameplan and then complete failure of in-game adjustments. I'm surprised we didn't get blown out.

 

[WastedTalent]

Seems like Prohm let TCU dictate our gameplan tonight. TCU isn't much different than OSU with a hyper fast point and a tall white guy in the middle and a few other ransoms but our lineup rotations and minutes were completely different against TCU I saw a complete failure in gameplan and then complete failure of in-game adjustments. I'm surprised we didn't get blown out.

Blodziansky is MUCH better than any big Okie St had, and Shepard came in and made 3 easy layups.

My guess is, Dixon saw how Iowa St defended the ball screen against okie st, and implemented his plan accordingly. Spread the floor, so when Iowa St hedges hard, or doubles, they get the ball moving, forcing Iowa St to rotate. It didn't help that Iowa St was not real crisp on their rotations, but when TCU found the open guy, he made the shot. Usually it was an easy one. They shot 71% from 2 pt.

Offensively, Iowa St did not play bad at all. Minus Burton's effort, DJ and Babb really made up for Monte's off night.

The difference between tonight and okie st, was around the 10 minute mark. In both games, they were within about 3-5 points, but against okie st they got a few stops in a row on defense, and then scored on the other end. They just could not get consecutive stops in a row tonight. I'd have to go back and watch, but TCU had to have scored on about 6 or 7 possessions in a row.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Your questioning Prohm's recruiting lost ALL credibility when you wrote "Burton is a star". Star players are the best player on the court 80-90% of the time. Not sure how to describe Burton's game. Eratic, mecurial, inconsistent, rollercoaster are some terms that come to mind.

I don't think we can be too critical of Prohm's recruiting yet. He was hired in June 2015. So they got a late start recruiting the class of Young, Long, Lard, Kasonga & Malou. I would consider Babb & Jackson as Hoiberg/TJ recruits, I think we won't be able to judge that group or the group of Wigginton, Lewis and McNeil until next season.

I give the staff a pass on Carter, Holden and Bowie. Cater was a late signee after issues at SMU and sometimes coaches need to take risks on grad transfers if they have big holes. Which we did with Malou not making it to campus and Lard not being eligible.

I'm not entirely in the "Prohm can't recruit" camp, but the lack up post prospects is becoming a concern. Hoiberg never got them to come either, which I always chalked up to style of play. Maybe recruits have misconceptions about how they'd be used here?

Regardless, I do give Prohm a pass on the initial class, which I think was just Carter, really. But he had a regular calendar to work with for this season and signed two big question marks, neither of which are seeing the floor right now. Not giving up, just waiting to see improvement. Class coming in looks solid, but as of now, no post presence, which we've lacked for some time now

 

[CycloneBBFan]

Good point, though a zone isn't always great for rebounding as no one has a set man to box out. Definitely might help for hiding some size problems at times.

Burton, Babb, and Young low in zone may have helped the paint since nobody by themselves could contain the Russian.

 

[Spanky]

You have to start Burton, but if he misses his first couple shots or just doesn't look interested, then he needs to get benched after 5 mins or so.
Let him sit for about 10 mins and think about whether he wants to play anymore tonight or not? Then put him back in late in the first half and see if you get any better effort out of him or not?

Of course, if he starts the game on fire and looks to be into it, then you ride him all night.

Sounds like a dealing with an 8 year old.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Burton, Babb, and Young low in zone may have helped the paint since nobody by themselves could contain the Russian.

It would have at least been worth a shot. Like I said we didn't try to change anything during the game. Probably would have better off if we had gotten down by more at some point Prohm never had to hit the panic button because we were hitting too.

 

[casey1973]

For the life of me I just don't get how he shows up one minute to play and the next he just zones out. Then I think the other players get away from from doing what they do and here comes the one on one and hope for the best.

 

[Cycsk]

Our emphasis on defense has aspects that work against other aspects. For instance, do we really want Bowie being quick to make switches and move away from the basket (and the big men camped out there)? It seems that we have prioritized a swarming defense for turnovers. I would prefer for him to stay in the lane and box out a big man.

It would be nice to know what its happening in practice. Is Bowie being encouraged to be quick to make switches? Is anyone being told to box out at all costs?

Burton is Burton. I like his sneaky defense and don't expect him to be a box out rebounder. But, I would like to think that Bowie, Holden, or Young could step into this role. I don't expect them to shut down a nimble big man from scoring, but they could cut down on the rebounds.

 

[Bryce7]

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But he never took shots. Maybe, he needs to learn how to drive the middle and kick out instead of standing on the outside. If Monte and matt and naz learned how to do it, it is time for Jackson to do it.