Bracketology- Joe Lunardi

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Bracketology is supposed to be a snapshot and not a prediction. Unless it is specifically called a prediction. I’m actually not even aware of any that are predictive.

Clicking randomly on a few on bracketmatrix: "T-Rank", "Bama", "TMRD" all say they are predictive. "Brad" says specifically that he isn't predictive and a snapshot. I'd estimate maybe a 1/3 of the ones I clicked on were predictive.
 

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Bracketology is supposed to be a snapshot and not a prediction. Unless it is specifically called a prediction. I’m actually not even aware of any that are predictive.

A lot of the automated bracketology sites (which usually just give seeds, not a bracket, to be fair) project team's records going forward and seed on that.

They usually do not do the "if it started today" stuff that humans making brackets do.

You could theoretically program in the rules the bracket makers have to use (such as avoiding repeating conference foes or rematches until the Sweet Sixteen and the like) and have a machine do it, as well as try to approximate their "intuition" about certain things like trying to solve for the least possible travel distance within those parameters, but I have not seen it.

Sounds like a fun project, though...
 
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This. Palm & Lunardi are still are horrible at it.
I'm amazed that they pay that dude money for the brackets he puts up. Lunardi is slightly better but is still not that good at it.

Me, CoKane, and 500 will do a better one for 1/10 of the price they pay Palm. Win-win for us and CBS.
 
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Clicking randomly on a few on bracketmatrix: "T-Rank", "Bama", "TMRD" all say they are predictive. "Brad" says specifically that he isn't predictive and a snapshot. I'd estimate maybe a 1/3 of the ones I clicked on were predictive.
Cool. I've never dove into the non-mainstream ones. I actually don't care for bracketology. At least beyond seeds.
 

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I'm amazed that they pay that dude money for the brackets he puts up. Lunardi is slightly better but is still not that good at it.

Me, CoKane, and 500 will do a better one for 1/10 of the price they pay Palm. Win-win for us and CBS.
Lunardi is at least okay when being interviewed. Watching Palm on camera is rough
 
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Bracketology is supposed to be a snapshot and not a prediction. Unless it is specifically called a prediction. I’m actually not even aware of any that are predictive.

There could be some in Matrix that are prediction-based, but my assumption is that isn't common.

IIRC, at one time Palm's brackets were presented as predictive. He dropped that approach not long after I was aware he was doing bracket projections.
 

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To give benefit-of-doubt to Lunardi, considered a bracketology pioneer, he has a LOT more competition than he did 15 or 20 years ago. He's probably as accurate as he ever was, but (a) countless, knowledgeable CBB followers can read the tea leaves as well or better (b) JL and other high-profile bracketeers post more frequent updates compared to early-digital years and the brackets are more widely viewed and scrutinized.

Having said that, Iowa State currently is closer to a 4 seed than a 5.. :D
 

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Honestly, kinda see it both ways... the Big 12 is strange this year... we have some great non-conference wins, then some head scratching losses... look at Baylor and KSU...

Baylor has two ugly losses (tx southern, sfa), and then beats ISU, TT, and is 3rd in conf..
Kansas has best non-con wins (MSU, Tenn) but is obviously a different team now, and is tied for 4th in conference.
KSU lays an egg vs. ta&m and also lost to tulsa.. hard to explain those losses, but in conference have been good..

So, it is strange this year, and seeding the conference is hard given the resume's + the trajectory of the teams...

Look only at how we expect the teams to finish? I would guess Lunardi would have us a 3+ and Kansas a 4/5.

Look only at the wins / losses to date without considering what teams have lost/gained? I can see Kansas a 3/4, ISU a 4/5...

Bottom line, not too concerned about this... keep taking care of business they will be a 3+ seed, lose key games down the stretch, could stay in 4/5 territory.

Are we still really calling the K-State and Baylor losses "head-scratching"?

Current standings has the Big 12's top teams as 1. K-State; 2. ISU (game back in the loss column); 3. Baylor (full game back).

Yeah, it sucks we lost to K-State and Baylor, nor should we have really lost to either, but at this point in the season I think we can quit with the narrative of "head-scratching" - K-State and Baylor are good teams.
 
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