Big XII to add schools within days?

[FriendlySpartan]

Sorry, but there’s still much more a faction in the BIG that doesn’t. The SEC has embraced it much more.

And no one has more money for pay to play than the SEC. you’ve got to consider the off the book’s money. A culture in which people would spend their food stamps on college football. in the hypothetical, they’d have a vast majority of the premium brands best setup to monetize NLI

Going to have to agree to disagree on this. I don't know if you can find a single article anywhere saying that he SEC has more money for NIL then the big ten. To be fair I am basing this off of of alumni size and donor wealth (also previous large donations) so its not an exact 1 for 1 comparison but once the big ten money cannons start firing its going to get real interesting.

For the record while I want student athletes to be paid this is going to be absolute chaos for a few years and really hurt college football

 

[WhoISthis]

Going to have to agree to disagree on this. I don't know if you can find a single article anywhere saying that he SEC has more money for NIL then the big ten. To be fair I am basing this off of of alumni size and donor wealth (also previous large donations) so its not an exact 1 for 1 comparison but once the big ten money cannons start firing its going to get real interesting.

For the record while I want student athletes to be paid this is going to be absolute chaos for a few years and really hurt college football

What next, endowment comparisons?

The SEC’s slogan, “it just means more” isn’t about yelling at games.
There is a reason they are the biggest brand in college football. There’s a reason they’ve always paid more for coaches, for staff etc (for players too). That same reason will manifest in the deepest NLI pool. I’ve lived in both areas, and the efficiency of extracting wealth out of their fans is so much higher in the south.

It’s like some weird cult and they’re all indoctrinated to support their teM

 

[FriendlySpartan]

What next, endowment comparisons?

The SEC’s slogan, “it just means more” isn’t about yelling at games.
There is a reason they are the biggest brand in college football. There’s a reason they’ve always paid more for coaches, for staff etc (for players too). That same reason will manifest in the deepest NLI pool. I’ve lived in both areas, and the efficiency of extracting wealth out of their fans is so much higher in the south.

It’s like some weird cult and they’re all indoctrinated to support their teM

You have a very valid point with coaching salaries. I’ve never lived in the south so will take your word with for it. I guess time will tell but I can see your point.

I’m really interested to see how high the universal payments will be for every player at some schools. Obv the top QB’s like at bama and OSU will get their millions but what about the random linebacker or third string RB? Think that is going to have a larger recurring impact then conference. If you are right (although I still have my doubts) that’s another big plus for the SEC.

 

[WhoISthis]

You have a very valid point with coaching salaries. I’ve never lived in the south so will take your word with for it. I guess time will tell but I can see your point.

I’m really interested to see how high the universal payments will be for every player at some schools. Obv the top QB’s like at bama and OSU will get their millions but what about the random linebacker or third string RB? Think that is going to have a larger recurring impact then conference. If you are right (although I still have my doubts) that’s another big plus for the SEC.

I’m curious as well. I’m not optimistic anyone can compete with those fanbases in terms of desire to waste money on the little known player.

I think your questions are huge. It could be an equalizer, assuming there is only so much money to throw at these players. But I imagine there’s a HUGE difference. It’s odd that paying for talent seems fanatical to me, but it’s actually a much more efficient way to donate in effort to get wins.

 

[cycloneML]

Really? You place recruiting for Memphis/TN about Houston?

This. Houston is a very international cosmopolitan region

 

[cycloneML]

Going to have to agree to disagree on this. I don't know if you can find a single article anywhere saying that he SEC has more money for NIL then the big ten. To be fair I am basing this off of of alumni size and donor wealth (also previous large donations) so its not an exact 1 for 1 comparison but once the big ten money cannons start firing its going to get real interesting.

For the record while I want student athletes to be paid this is going to be absolute chaos for a few years and really hurt college football

The leaders took the cheap and easy way out and it will destroy the game. If they would have agreed to pay players a nominal wage we could have avoided the NIL carnage.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I’m curious as well. I’m not optimistic anyone can compete with those fanbases in terms of desire to waste money on the little known player.

I think your questions are huge. It could be an equalizer, assuming there is only so much money to throw at these players. But I imagine there’s a HUGE difference. It’s odd that paying for talent seems fanatical to me, but it’s actually a much more efficient way to donate in effort to get wins.

Yeah today a sparty mega donor pledged 6K per player per year for all football and Men's basketball players. Michigan alums are dying to do this but the school has some strict rules in place about NIL and using the schools image. I know with 100% certainty that we recently flipped a WVU 4 star because of this type of deal and we have an entire dept now focused on NIL. I feel like many SEC schools will be doing this very soon for all players not just the stars if your prediction is correct which if other schools don't match will be a pretty one sided arms race.

At least currently the schools cant pay the players directly but who knows how long that will last.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The leaders took the cheap and easy way out and it will destroy the game. If they would have agreed to pay players a nominal wage we could have avoided the NIL carnage.

Totally agree but think more of the blame falls on the NCAA. Either way its going to shift college football quite a bit and probably not for the better. Glad to see the athletes getting paid though

 

[WhoISthis]

Yeah today a sparty mega donor pledged 6K per player per year for all football and Men's basketball players. Michigan alums are dying to do this but the school has some strict rules in place about NIL and using the schools image. I know with 100% certainty that we recently flipped a WVU 4 star because of this type of deal and we have an entire dept now focused on NIL. I feel like many SEC schools will be doing this very soon for all players not just the stars if your prediction is correct which if other schools don't match will be a pretty one sided arms race.

At least currently the schools cant pay the players directly but who knows how long that will last.

It’s Pandora’s box.

if you’re the coach, is it best to have donors pay a million for a star QB or stread it around like the Patriots to talented but cheaper players.

Basically front office skills are now needed.

I don’t see any way we don’t end up with the model being pushed by the SEC - a division of institutions willing to pay to play. If the NCAA or others don’t like it, they’ll leave. Recruits will follow. Imo basketball is the only challenge- they need to solve the revenue lost from the tournament. That’s where KU and an alliance with the Big East is needed.

Obviously they want most of the Alliance to leave with them, but they’re a few big brands away from forcing it, as the Alliance is as weak as USC

 

[Gonzo]

First is Iowa included in the separation?

I’ll assume the BIG is part of that.

In the future it’s possible, when KU basketball makes a tournament run, plus the inventory MBB provides in a streaming world.

Think how close KU is as a brand from already being included. There’s a lot of extrinsic value from basketball. Some redistribution models would have KU averaging $40million/year just from the tournament performance. I question whether the pie they’re splitting would be as high without the G5’s, but it would be considerable- and basketball already brings KU a lot of money

Ok so this is pure speculation.

 

[Gunnerclone]

No 25M is not much of a hit on the current deal(approx. 3 M). 25M is just the T1 & T2, we still have T3(which won't be worth much now probably unless we can monetize bball better) and then the CCG, CFP/bowl $$ and NCAA Bball credits. We currently get upper 30's for everything.

It is a hit in terms of what the B12 would have received staying at 10 if UT/OU remained in the league. To illustrate this, we were getting 28M and Bowlsby said the league lost 50% of its value, that would be 14M. If the new deal is roughly a 78% increase without OU & UT, the new deal should have been around 28(1.78) for about 50M for T1 & T2. Some say the B12 was overpaid when they secured the contract with only 10 teams instead of 12, its possible that 50 could have been more like 45 to upper 40's but you get the idea.

This illustrates OU & UT revenues could have remained solid with 50M T1/T2 and then add in T3 & CFP/bowl/NCAA bball money. As well as the B12 would have went to unequal revenue sharing to keep them. Those two schools won't have as good of a competitive position in the SEC so it tells you one of two thing. This is how much they were concerned about NIL $$ and recruiting and wanted big time matchups, but this could lead to 3-4 loss seasons for OU and even more for UT. Or this is part of ESPN avoiding lawsuits and Bowlsby did have good evidence of interference.

So you’re saying that having more random teams means bigger contracts? Oh.

 

[RustShack]

There could definitely be big splurges with the NIL right away, but how long until donors think it’s a waste of money?

I liked the NIL more when it was more about players being able to sell autographs and be in commercials and what not. Straight up paying players just to be on the team seems like something a lot different.

 

[WhoISthis]

Ok so this is pure speculation.

No more speculative than thinking Iowa football will make more in the future.
College basketball is a huge money maker for the ncaa. It’s not very speculative to say that when the top conferences start to keep that for themselves, a brand like KU basketball will be at the top

 

[cyatheart]

If we are adding 6 I really would hope they look at San Diego state instead of Boise or Memphis. Man I just don’t see what boise or Memphis bring at all.

sdsu is a big school, gets you into California, they could def compete, great road trip….Boise….ugh

 

[iowastatefan1929]

if boise st gets involved in b12 i will tell u likely shtf in college football, we are looking at a paradigm shift, we will show the way

 

[WhoISthis]

Please, please no Boise or Memphis.

 

[Gonzo]

No more speculative than thinking Iowa football will make more in the future.
College basketball is a huge money maker for the ncaa. It’s not very speculative to say that when the top conferences start to keep that for themselves, a brand like KU basketball will be at the top

You seriously think there's any doubt that when the B1G re-ups in a few years Iowa will make more?

 

[RustShack]

Please, please no Boise or Memphis.

From the start there were 5 “good” additions.

BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and Memphis.

Boise is an OK 6th to get all 5, and they have a great G5 history including beating good P5 teams in bowl games.

Getting to the P5 level with increased pay also helps them. Obviously they face tougher opponents every week as well though.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

There could definitely be big splurges with the NIL right away, but how long until donors think it’s a waste of money?

I liked the NIL more when it was more about players being able to sell autographs and be in commercials and what not. Straight up paying players just to be on the team seems like something a lot different.

Totally agree with the second part. As to the first part alot of the big NIL deals are coming from individual donors through their companies so they can call it marketing spend. Makes it more likely to last for years and years. Individual big spends I do think will fade out except from athletics companies that want a foot in the door for the next superstar.

 

[RustShack]

Totally agree with the second part. As to the first part alot of the big NIL deals are coming from individual donors through their companies so they can call it marketing spend. Makes it more likely to last for years and years. Individual big spends I do think will fade out except from athletics companies that want a foot in the door for the next superstar.

It’s hard to say. Obviously it depends on the school and the donor/company. Some will be fine with the spending, some will say hold on. It’ll be different for everyone. There might be some unexpected good teams in the next 5-10 years, and there might be some teams who drop off because of it as well.