Big XII heading south?

Cat4ISU

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Do you mean the Big 8 schools needed the Texas schools more so than the Texas schools needed the Big 8 schools? Perhaps, but the SWC died for a reason, and those four on their own would be worse off than the Big 8 on its own. They needed each other, and people need to stop thinking in terms of Big 8 vs the Texas schools. Really it is about the South and North agreeing about what is best for the conference as a whole. The South is where the money is...the wealthier the Big 12 is the better for all. Now what should be discussed is having revenue sharing similar to the Big 10.

....er....I think we've struggled with that historically. :wink:
 

mj4cy

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If that happened and the basketball became permanent in KC, I'd take it. We have much more of a chance winning basketball titles and football titles.
 

swarthmoreCY

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....er....I think we've struggled with that historically. :wink:

The only South-North aspect I would change is to have BB in KC. The football CG in Texas makes sense to me. Scheduling wise, they try to have the South play the South and the North play the North in November. There are not too many times the North plays the South in Sept/Oct. ISU does get OU/TT/UT at the same time, but I am not convinced it is clearly worse than splitting up OU and UT.
My main complaint about the Big 12 is the revenue sharing, but that is not directly North vs South. If anything, revenue wise it is best to expand the Big 12's presence in its biggest market, Texas.
 

Cylax51

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Keep it rotating. Like the mileage breakdown. Seems about as close as it comes to fair. Rotate both football and basketball sites. If we wanted fair a south team should have to play at a north team after the second week in october during the regular conference schedule.
 

jbhtexas

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IF the football championship moves to Dallas permanently, would an acceptable trade off be moving the basketball tournament permanently to KC?

A big difference is that for the MBB/WBB tournaments, all 12 teams travel to the tournament site. For the the FB title game, only two teams travel to the game site. I imagine travel costs will have to be analyzed in making the decision to make permanent sites.
 

garn91

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Do you mean the Big 8 schools needed the Texas schools more so than the Texas schools needed the Big 8 schools? Perhaps, but the SWC died for a reason, and those four on their own would be worse off than the Big 8 on its own. They needed each other, and people need to stop thinking in terms of Big 8 vs the Texas schools. Really it is about the South and North agreeing about what is best for the conference as a whole. The South is where the money is...the wealthier the Big 12 is the better for all. Now what should be discussed is having revenue sharing similar to the Big 10.

The South is also has more TV sets than the north. That's the point I was making if the old Big 8 existed today, it's TV contract would be with the CBS College Sports Network, perhaps the old SWC as well.
 

swarthmoreCY

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The South is also has more TV sets than the north. That's the point I was making if the old Big 8 existed today, it's TV contract would be with the CBS College Sports Network, perhaps the old SWC as well.

Yep, the Big 8 need to add more TV sets and markets. It did, and renamed itself the Big 12. I just do not see this Big 8 vs Texas schools talk. Does the Big 10 have OSU/UM/PSU vs Iowa/Minn/NW discussions? The SEC title game is in Atlanta, favoring the Eastern Division. Does that mean the SEC only cares about UGA/Tenn/UF?
 

weR138

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The former Big 8 schools need the Big 12 schools more than the Texas schools need the North.

If the old Big 8 existed today, say hello to watching games on the CBS College Sports network.


********. Texas would be nice to keep but the others could go **** up a rope. Personally I'd like to go back to the B8 and add a team, Notre Dame. Yeah I said it!

Don't you think Arkansas would consider defecting to a rejuvinated B8? I think that would be pretty cool.
 

CloneAggie

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Keep it rotating. Like the mileage breakdown. Seems about as close as it comes to fair. Rotate both football and basketball sites. If we wanted fair a south team should have to play at a north team after the second week in october during the regular conference schedule.
This year on 11/7:
A&M @ Colorado
Oklahoma @ Nebraska
Oklahoma St @ Iowa St
Baylor @ Missouri
 

Frak

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I like it. The SEC plays in Atlanta every year. Why shouldn't we play in Dallas? Besides, if they put that game in Dallas, that means that basketball has a good chance of staying in KC long term. We all know that we'll be going to KC for that no matter how good the MBB team is. And if the FB team goes to Dallas, you KNOW that we'd brink 20-40k whether it was in KC or TX.

My plan the whole time was FB=Dallas, BB=KC, Baseball=OKC. Looks like it's getting closer to coming true. Definitely helps that KC and Dallas have new facilities.
 

DaddyMac

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IF the football championship moves to Dallas permanently, would an acceptable trade off be moving the basketball tournament permanently to KC?

This. And it would be fine by me.

Of course, such an arrangement wouldn't benefit the Texas schools, so it won't happen.

They should just change the name of the conference to "Big Texas and some other schools"
 

Cylax51

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This year on 11/7:
A&M @ Colorado
Oklahoma @ Nebraska
Oklahoma St @ Iowa St
Baylor @ Missouri

Maybe I should have been a little more clear. Notice which two arent on the list:sad::sad::sad:

I am not say a south team has never played in the north after the fall has cooled down. It was very cold for the TT game for Wallace's run. I am simply stating that it is a rarity for the south to come up north after mid October. How about a mid to late November game, say Neb vs Tex or CU vs Tech. When Mac played UT @ UT his last time it was 32 degrees in Ames on Thursday and 97 degrees in Austin on Saturday afternoon. I was in the stands and couldnt stay hydrated after that change. 21 to 21 at half. After half, UT beat the snot out of us. Tell me the a 60 degree temp change doesnt factor into conditioning. And that game was in early Oct.
 

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I think a good compromise would be to alternate football between KC and Dallas, basketball between KC and Oklahoma City.
 

DaddyMac

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Maybe I should have been a little more clear. Notice which two arent on the list:sad::sad::sad:

I am not say a south team has never played in the north after the fall has cooled down. It was very cold for the TT game for Wallace's run. I am simply stating that it is a rarity for the south to come up north after mid October. How about a mid to late November game, say Neb vs Tex or CU vs Tech. When Mac played UT @ UT his last time it was 32 degrees in Ames on Thursday and 97 degrees in Austin on Saturday afternoon. I was in the stands and couldnt stay hydrated after that change. 21 to 21 at half. After half, UT beat the snot out of us. Tell me the a 60 degree temp change doesnt factor into conditioning. And that game was in early Oct.


Texas has played at ISU, NU, CU or Mizzou a grand total of ONCE in the month of November since the Big XII was formed. And that was at NU on Nov 2 in 2002.

Tech has NEVER played at a north school in the month of November.

OU has played us in 1999, NU in 1997. Nothing since.

FYI - A&M has played 3 games in Nov (2 against Mizzou, 1 against the Huskers)
 
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