Every year our base of talent improves under CMC. We beat Texas 3 years in a row. This year was bad. Overall things are good with our program.
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Every year our base of talent improves under CMC. We beat Texas 3 years in a row. This year was bad. Overall things are good with our program.
Like I said, Kohl is obviously a huge part of the class. There is no great way to represent what the class means without taking him out as he skews the overall average ranking so drastically. The reason I removed him to represent ranking is that if you take him out, it would better compare to prior seasons. There isn't a better way to discuss the average ranking of other recruits, unfortunately.
With Kohl, we're currently 42nd.
WITHOUT Kohl, it drops to something around 60-65.
That would actually be the bottom of our last 5 classes. 2022 was 39th. 2020 for instance was 46th. That's a huge difference and a reverse of prior trends. You would expect this class to be the best ever based on the timing of the Fiesta Bowl season.
Last year we had 9 recruits in the Top 600, this year we have 1 inside the Top 700 (Kohl).
Again, there is no great way to represent this, other than the average ranking of our recruits is drastically lower in this class vs the last 5.
And also again, I'm not being pessimistic. We're a developmental program, but the better the player to start with, in theory the higher the ceiling they have. I'm just breaking down the numbers because all I hear is that this class is a monster class - when it's really a monster QB and then lower than average in every other position.
With Kohl, we're currently 42nd.
WITHOUT Kohl, it drops to something around 60-65.
That would actually be the bottom of our last 5 classes. 2022 was 39th. 2020 for instance was 46th. That's a huge difference and a reverse of prior trends. You would expect this class to be the best ever based on the timing of the Fiesta Bowl season.
Last year we had 9 recruits in the Top 600, this year we have 1 inside the Top 700 (Kohl).
Again, there is no great way to represent this, other than the average ranking of our recruits is drastically lower in this class vs the last 5.
And also again, I'm not being pessimistic. We're a developmental program, but the better the player to start with, in theory the higher the ceiling they have. I'm just breaking down the numbers because all I hear is that this class is a monster class - when it's really a monster QB and then lower than average in every other position.
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Nothing like arguing that your teams class isn’t very good.
I get what you're going for, but if you want to do a direct compare, I feel like you have to take the top recruit out of the past years as well. At that point, they probably pretty much align.
This is very true. Probably the second hardest evaluation after QB.
Not trying to. Trying to reality check those that are hyping this class unrealistically. I think a good conversation would be why we’re struggling to recruit after the recent success, but nobody wants to discuss that because they’re fed BS about this being an amazing class.
Is there a 5 star recruit at freaking Colorado yet? A sh!thole program like Colorado will be doing better than us very soon. I think it’s time this staff did some crazy changes. Should have brought in TO, Jody Nelson or Chad Ochocinco lol as OC or Seneca Wallace or Sage. Someone who been in the NFL to entice these young recruits.
I think Sage would of been great.
Ok, what the **** other agenda would I have? What point would it do to fact check if it didn't need it? I keep hearing how amazing recruiting is going. Give me the data that backs that up. If the data doesn't show that, then let's have a convo about why after our recent success we're not doing better.
That would actually be a great conversation. Is it NIL, is it recruit validation, is it the age-old struggle of being the northern outpost of the league, is it regional teams, etc? That type of discussion is the whole point of a message board.
I get it, you don't like me because I don't just **** rainbows and unicorns or talk about jumping off a bridge after a bad loss. I play the middle but when people are just pumping fake rainbows, somebody needs to bring people back to reality some how.
I don’t know you how would I like or dislike you? But maybe your just full of crap.
Now take the number one recruit out of the classes you are comparing
I looked at that. The top recruit in the past 5 classes has been within a few decimal points of our second place recruit so at most you'd drop 2-3 spots nationally each year. Most of our classes we have a good number of guys in the 200-350 range, with the top and second spots being very close. This year we have a guy in the 120 range and the next closest in the 700s.
I wonder if this is because of NIL, where these top 600 are weighing money more in their decision making process from historically better programs. In the past, NIL wasn't a thing, so playing time may have been a heavier weight on their decisions as opposed to getting buried on the depth chart at Ohio State or Bama. It'd be interesting to see if this trend continues.
So did you pull out the best recruit at other Big12 schools when comparing ISU to them?
As long as Kohl signs at ISU, he shouldn't be excluded. As you say, we are a developmental program and always will be. At least until Iowa High Schools start churning out 10-15 four & five star recruits every year.
Nope, it wasn't that indepth of an analysis.
My point was that people need to use data and their own understandings rather than buying into complete hype or complete doom.
If you listen to the hype - each of the past 3 years our O-Line should have been the best we've ever had, Dekkers should have been Top 3 QB in the Big 12, and we should have been a Top 3 team this year.
If you believe the naysayers, CMC should have left 2 years ago, Purdy wasn't as good as people thought, the Big 12 was dead, and we should be in the MAC.
People need to start looking at facts and then weighing what they hear with mountains of salt. Not to do that is what sets unrealistic expectations rather than driving conversation around things. When even players and coaches are talking about concerns with certain positions in next year's class, and we're struggling in the Portal, that raises some discussions rather than sweeping under the rug because of some unnatural hype.
He won a lot at Temple and Baylor. I don't like the guy but he has a track record. And this kid is from Lincoln.
On this board if you don't push rainbows and daisies you are a Hawk fan.
Sad but true. I appreciate honest viewpoints...even if they are hard pills to swallow.
