I don't know how you can look back at last years roster and still project a 25-27 win total. We literally had zero depth and that became pretty obvious early in the season.
Bad day for the Steven can coach crowd.
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I don't know how you can look back at last years roster and still project a 25-27 win total. We literally had zero depth and that became pretty obvious early in the season.
It seems as though you are bitter about the reseating. Get over it. The demand is obviously there.
He hasn't done anymore at a P5 school than Prohm, in fact its probably less, and the discussion is about mid major coaches and their success at a higher level
Especially if it's out of state, where it's likely that co-workers didn't know, and don't care, that ISU/TX played basketball last night.
The truth is, when this team does what Steve asks them to do they are very good. When they play hero ball and are lazy on defense they aren't good. These are Fred's players and were allowed a lot of freedom. Once he gets his guys, we will see that he is actually a great coach. Just tough to get these guys to buy in when they aren't "his guys"
Next year will be nearly 100% his guys. I guess Babb would be the one exception, because TJ brought him in before Steve was hired.
Depth is overrated, there are a number of teams that only play 6 or 7 deep and dont have any issues. We arent West Virginia where we need 12 guys in order to foul all the time. Im so tired of hearing that excuse for why we underachieved last year. The 6 seed in the Big 12 last year was unacceptable for how much talent we had returning.
In fact, I remember a majority of this site saying last year, "just wait until next year when we have a full roster". Well, its next year, we still dont have much depth, and our losses are piling up at an alarming rate.
Beat me to it. I don't think you can stress how difficult it is to make the jump. People bag on the Mcdermott era but that was a damn good hire at the time. There are no nights off in the Big 12. Shaka's VCU teams would have gotten eaten alive if they had to play a big boy schedule and the same can be said with Wichita State over the last few years. P5 hoops is a different monster and the coaches that make the jump have to make serious adjustments.
So Smart who excelled at a high major doesn't get more of a cushion than Prohm who underachieved at a low mid major.
I'll agree with a lot of what you're saying.
The one that gets me, is not showing up to play, or not showing motivation. If this team was a bunch of underclassmen, then I would absolutely put that on the coach. However, this team is all seniors. At some point, you have to question what they are doing to prepare for the types of games.
I don't think it's a coincidence that these core seniors were a part of many of those slow starts under Fred, where they just couldn't start a game with any fire. Difference is, many of those teams had the horses to climb out of their hole, and win the game.
How about just step away from message boards and social media for a while. This place will give you a very warped sense of the fanbase if you can't keep the negativity in perspective.
Fred left behind a Top 10 squad. Look at what other coaches leave behind. To call the cupboard bare is ridiculous.
This is what gives me the most hope for Prohm. Our defense is MUCH improved over what it was. We are atop 40 defense currently. When did you ever think we'd be getting more than 10 steals a game?
Michigan State has 10 losses (tough early schedule but still lost) and got housed by Michigan last night.
Roy Williams went to the NIT the season after his last national title.
The list goes on and on.
I'm still holding judgement on Prohm due to some head scratchers post-proclamation, but who knows how well the players are executing what he is looking for especially when they're already limited.
So you hated the Floyd and Eustachy hires, cuz those guys came from a mid major.
Jamie Dixon wanted to come home to his alma mater that is the primary reason TCU got him, our guy chose to leave his alma mater because he wanted to coach in the NBA and by all accounts really hated the recruiting piece.. WV got Huggy because he chose to come back home.
Tubby was fired from a P5 program, people would be freaking screaming if ISU hired Ben Howland, Tubby Smith.
Maybe you could get a guy like Frank Martin, but this team would probably not taken too well to that style.
Florida hired a guy who was a mid major, most schools hire mid major coaches if the previous coach leaves or is fired.
All that said I would have made a push for Randy Bennett of Saint Mary's who has an incredible record there, but that would be a mid-major hire so that would put us back to square 1 wouldn't it.
Smart's Record at VCU:
VCU: 163–56 (.744) 74–30 (.712)
Prohm's Record at Murray State:
Murray State: 104–29 (.782) 54–10 (.844)
But one "excelled" and one "underachieved". Got it.
the fact that there is even a thread that is so petty about our basketball coach, is sad. If you don't like him, fine, that is totally your opinion. But the fact that we just started a thread to call out other posters for a thread about if our Coach can coach or not, after we lost on the road in a great conference, still over .500 in the conference, and still have 3 road wins to boot, is not a good look for any of us.
Also, how many does the A10 get into the tournament compared to Ohio Valley? Im sure hes comparing NCAA appearances.
I don't think I, personally, would use the word motivation. I think the team shows great heart throughout the game. It's just some times they don't seem locked in mentally to start the game-- ball movement, defensive rotations, etc. It's like it takes them 7-8 minutes to get into the groove of the game.
