B10/11 expansion...this guy gets it and absolutely nails it on the head
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Yes Big10 "(CIC) is a consortium of the Big Ten universities plus the University of Chicago."
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SO why are they not looking at Cincinatti or West Virginia? The Big Ten absolutely will not sacrifice academic/institutional prestige for simply athletics. Not when there are a ton of teams that would love to be in the Big Ten.
Nothing you gave in that link is surprising either. A lot of Pac Ten and Big Ten schools in there with the occasional other conference.
if anyone thinks academics don't play a part, read this article interview Mizzou faculty where they are worried their US News and Weekly Report ranking of 102 will keep them out, and how they are salivating at the opportunity to improve their academic stature by being in the Big 10. Not to mention how Mizzou feels they are inferior to a school in Ames, IA.
Show-Me? Mizzou feels it has done enough to earn Big Ten invite - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com
Also, according to a chair of a very large academic department at a Big 10 school I know, ISU "is" higher on her school's list than the low hanging fruit - Mizzou. Who wants something/somebody when they are begging???? Mizzou's latest barrage into the media is hurting them both in the Big 12 and Big 10. The Big 10 want something that brings a balance of athletics and academics. And athletics are going to be evaluated on a lot of things - graduation rates, for example, are a much bigger factor than many might think. Mizzou may go, but I think there are going to be offers to other schools first, whether or not those schools take that offer, or even make it public, we will never know. I know that the Big 10 is not liking Mizzou's antics right now, and Mizzou politicians do not wield the power that Iowa's does. There are also big food/ag companies that fund research involved here. Corn and soybeans rule our economy and fund a great deal of research we are talking about here. Does the Big 10 care about Mizzou's journalism program???? Yeah, there is a lot of collaborative research dollars there.
Last time I heard, that is a waning industry. The money is in science - medical, computer, certain engineering programs and ag. I have been saying from day one the Big 10 cares about meeting and improving their academic profile first, economics 2nd, and athletics third. Yes, the impetus for this may have been football, but now that the can of worms has been opened, other factors are going to take control - faculty, politicians, donors(monsanto, cargill, etc).
Show-Me? Mizzou feels it has done enough to earn Big Ten invite - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com
Also, according to a chair of a very large academic department at a Big 10 school I know, ISU "is" higher on her school's list than the low hanging fruit - Mizzou. Who wants something/somebody when they are begging???? Mizzou's latest barrage into the media is hurting them both in the Big 12 and Big 10. The Big 10 want something that brings a balance of athletics and academics. And athletics are going to be evaluated on a lot of things - graduation rates, for example, are a much bigger factor than many might think. Mizzou may go, but I think there are going to be offers to other schools first, whether or not those schools take that offer, or even make it public, we will never know. I know that the Big 10 is not liking Mizzou's antics right now, and Mizzou politicians do not wield the power that Iowa's does. There are also big food/ag companies that fund research involved here. Corn and soybeans rule our economy and fund a great deal of research we are talking about here. Does the Big 10 care about Mizzou's journalism program???? Yeah, there is a lot of collaborative research dollars there.
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if anyone thinks academics don't play a part, read this article interview Mizzou faculty where they are worried their US News and Weekly Report ranking of 102 will keep them out, and how they are salivating at the opportunity to improve their academic stature by being in the Big 10. Not to mention how Mizzou feels they are inferior to a school in Ames, IA.
Show-Me? Mizzou feels it has done enough to earn Big Ten invite - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com
Also, according to a chair of a very large academic department at a Big 10 school I know, ISU "is" higher on her school's list than the low hanging fruit - Mizzou. Who wants something/somebody when they are begging???? Mizzou's latest barrage into the media is hurting them both in the Big 12 and Big 10. The Big 10 want something that brings a balance of athletics and academics. And athletics are going to be evaluated on a lot of things - graduation rates, for example, are a much bigger factor than many might think. Mizzou may go, but I think there are going to be offers to other schools first, whether or not those schools take that offer, or even make it public, we will never know. I know that the Big 10 is not liking Mizzou's antics right now, and Mizzou politicians do not wield the power that Iowa's does. There are also big food/ag companies that fund research involved here. Corn and soybeans rule our economy and fund a great deal of research we are talking about here. Does the Big 10 care about Mizzou's journalism program???? Yeah, there is a lot of collaborative research dollars there.
Agree with this and a few others on here. While I have no inside knowledge I do beleive there is a lot more to this than it appears and infinetly more complicated than people think it is. There are so many competing interests here....academic, political, corporate, geographical and athletics. All play a role. It isn't as open and shut as Jim Delany saying "Missouri has TV's, give them an invite." Lot of powerful people and organizations involved, anything could happen.
It does seem kind of odd to me how public Missouri has been chasing this. Would not be surprised at all now to learn that the radio station in KC was fed the invite story by someone in Columbia. I would savor watching Missouri backtrack if the invite never comes.
This is why I still believe Texas and Texas A&M are still being heavily considered for the Big 10 - they are the two top academic and research universities in the Big 12 by far.
Big Ten Conference likely seeking universities that fit its identity in expansion talks - JSOnline
It would be interesting to see Penn State's Research Rankings back before they were added. I could not find it, maybe someone else can.
It would be interesting to see Penn State's Research Rankings back before they were added. I could not find it, maybe someone else can.
I thought about this aspect when the talks first began about expansion and how it was all about money. These conferences are walking a fine line here with what they are doing. I also think that this talk of superconferences and a superconference playoff would not be allowed. It would leave too many teams out in the cold. The goverment already looks carefully at the BCS system.
I don't know why everybody wants to be in the Big 10. I see football as a sport that is going more and more towards the warm weather states. Ohio State is the only National Champion not located in a warm weather state since '97. I think recruiting Texas is going to be more and more important. If Mizzou goes to the Big 10 that recruiting will dry up and I think they will struggle greatly .
I know the Big 10 has more money but I see the Pac 10 and Big 12 getting together with a TV contract or actually forming their own conference if these other conferences go to 16 team super-conferences. As a KU fan I would much rather end up in that conference then the Big 10. Of course there's the chance the 4 super conferences actually happened and KU gets left out because of lack of tv's and that would really suck. Hard to say what's going to happen, but if the 4 super conferences would happen they could form their own championships and make tons of money, and that's what makes it a real possibility.
I know the Big 10 has more money but I see the Pac 10 and Big 12 getting together with a TV contract or actually forming their own conference if these other conferences go to 16 team super-conferences. As a KU fan I would much rather end up in that conference then the Big 10. Of course there's the chance the 4 super conferences actually happened and KU gets left out because of lack of tv's and that would really suck. Hard to say what's going to happen, but if the 4 super conferences would happen they could form their own championships and make tons of money, and that's what makes it a real possibility.
Not to be brusque, but did you not read the first post? It is more than just sports. ISU in the Big 10 would be better for ISU and the State as a whole.
i dont agree... Rules out Notre Damn? um, why did they offer ND then previously? That already makes tigerhawk just another lost poster when it comes to expansion. im sure he has points, but im sure that research isnt everything.
Did you read and think about the OP? And if the answer is yes, why do you not think that matters? TV matters for money, research brings in a lot more money than TV does.
Also, in this kind of situation it is the University Presidents with the final say, not the AD. Which do you think the University president is going to care more about?
People are very naive if they don't read the first post of this thread and realize that research brings much more money than athletics, or a TV contract, to a university.
I read the first post. It states that Mizzou isn't a major research university and yet the Top American Research Universities 2009 report published by The Center for Measuring University performance had Mizzou ranked ahead of ISU. So how creditable is the first post?
If they were going after the best research universities they could pick some that don't play football at all. You guys don't post on this site because of the great research your university does. Maybe this expansion is geared more toward research than football and tv's. Maybe Penn State just happened to have a good football team when they were picked. Maybe the Big Ten has never had any interest in Notre Dame, it's been rumors for all these years. Maybe all the national columnist are wrong (that really could be a possibility). I really don't want college football to go to 4 super conferences but if the Big 10 ends up with 16 teams I can tell you it won't be because of their research abilities. Now if they end up with an odd number of teams I would be wrong and this whole expansion would have nothing to do with football and TV.
If they were going after the best research universities they could pick some that don't play football at all. You guys don't post on this site because of the great research your university does. Maybe this expansion is geared more toward research than football and tv's. Maybe Penn State just happened to have a good football team when they were picked. Maybe the Big Ten has never had any interest in Notre Dame, it's been rumors for all these years. Maybe all the national columnist are wrong (that really could be a possibility). I really don't want college football to go to 4 super conferences but if the Big 10 ends up with 16 teams I can tell you it won't be because of their research abilities. Now if they end up with an odd number of teams I would be wrong and this whole expansion would have nothing to do with football and TV.
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Never confirmed all the info in Tiggerhawks post that I copied over here from HN.
The general point however is that Academics will be as big, if not bigger, of a factor in the schools that the B10/11 pursues as the potential for $$$ in reseach grants far outweights the $$$ from athletics.
Of course the school will need to offer a well rounded athletics program as well, but that will not be the leading indicator IMO.
The general point however is that Academics will be as big, if not bigger, of a factor in the schools that the B10/11 pursues as the potential for $$$ in reseach grants far outweights the $$$ from athletics.
Of course the school will need to offer a well rounded athletics program as well, but that will not be the leading indicator IMO.
Here's the report. ISU and MU are pretty much tied for 2009 rankings. They have about $12M more in total research spending ($229M vs $217M), but there is more to the rankings than just research spending.
http://mup.asu.edu/research2009.pdf
I would never think the Big 10 would expand and not consider academics. I just think it would be part of the equation along with football and tv's. If it was only academics they would be after Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Johns Hopkins University and nobody would even know or care about the expansion. The reason we are posting about it right now is because of sports. The reason it has become so newsworthy is because of sports. Just because the AD's don't make the decision, doesn't mean the presidents aren't considering the Big 10 future as a football conference.
