Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?

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If you’re Fred why would you come back?

Sure he had some of the best years in ISU history, but things have changed so much since then! Do I think he would have sustained success if he stayed? Yes - but he didn’t!

People would expect immediate results of when he left (top 10 team) and that is completely unrealistic! Not saying he couldn’t do it, but the pressure would be so much higher the second go round. Why subject yourself to that?

The Hoiberg ship has sailed, people need to move on!!!
 

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I guess that is true. My book was just giving more of just a general idea with a median value. I found this info from the NCAA on revenues at Iowa State up until 2019, and yeah we definitely ride those allocations.

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People making the argument that the decrease in ticket sales for basketball would have a far bigger impact that just paying CSPs buyout should study this chart. $16M revenue in ticket sales with over $13M coming from football doesn't agree. Most of the other columns aren't affected by the success of our basketball program.

I want a coaching change as bad as anyone but when it comes down to it it'll be about finances which means donors. The budget isn't going to carry the buyout without pulling funds from other areas which means football and I don't support that.

It's clear that his performance hasn't been good enough for him to continue, but for the finances to work out donors are going to have to step up, so what's everyone going to contribute? I'm likely going to bump up a level in donations this year, but that's a drop in the bucket for what needs to be raised.
 

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If you’re Fred why would you come back?

Sure he had some of the best years in ISU history, but things have changed so much since then! Do I think he would have sustained success if he stayed? Yes - but he didn’t!

People would expect immediate results of when he left (top 10 team) and that is completely unrealistic! Not saying he couldn’t do it, but the pressure would be so much higher the second go round. Why subject yourself to that?

The Hoiberg ship has sailed, people need to move on!!!

Anybody who comes into these threads to discuss Hoiberg as a viable option are trolling at best or just don't understand how this stuff works. I probably stand a greater chance of being ISU coach next than Hoiberg does.
 

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This was probably talked about in another thread though but a comment from other night game. Starting Schuster and Steyer seems to be telling that the decision is made on CSP. I don't know if it means he's going or back, but that was not the move or someone fighting for their job.

(Although he's had plenty of rotation decisions that made no sense to me so who knows)
 

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People making the argument that the decrease in ticket sales for basketball would have a far bigger impact that just paying CSPs buyout should study this chart. $16M revenue in ticket sales with over $13M coming from football doesn't agree. Most of the other columns aren't affected by the success of our basketball program.

I want a coaching change as bad as anyone but when it comes down to it it'll be about finances which means donors. The budget isn't going to carry the buyout without pulling funds from other areas which means football and I don't support that.

It's clear that his performance hasn't been good enough for him to continue, but for the finances to work out donors are going to have to step up, so what's everyone going to contribute? I'm likely going to bump up a level in donations this year, but that's a drop in the bucket for what needs to be raised.
Do you want to be on ESPN+ all year next year? Neither does Jaime because you lose $M in brand marketing power.
 

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This was probably talked about in another thread though but a comment from other night game. Starting Schuster and Steyer seems to be telling that the decision is made on CSP. I don't know if it means he's going or back, but that was not the move or someone fighting for their job.

(Although he's had plenty of rotation decisions that made no sense to me so who knows)
Starting seniors on senior day is standard isn’t it?
 

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JP has been ok. His facilities planning has been great, but his coaching hires have been mediocre at best. GMac, Chizik, and Prohm were disasters. CPR was ok. Hoiberg and Campbell were great, but he also lost Kindler and Sanderson (only the greatest active coach in the entire sport whose an alum).

Honestly, without Campbell this fanbase would be having an entirely different conversation about replacing JP.

I'll play your game who should we replace JP with so we have a better AD?

It's fine that people have criticisms and opinions about the AD and coaches, but I can damn well guarantee the most vocal at complaining aren't held to the same standard that they demand by their employers.
 
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I'll play your game who should we replace JP with so we have a better AD?

It's fine that people have criticisms and opinions about the AD and coaches, but I can damn well guarantee the most vocal at complaining aren't held to the same standard that they demand by their employers.

No one should replace Pollard as long as Campbell is here, but that doesn’t mean Pollard is above criticism. Especially with his 4th men’s basketball coaching hire on the horizon.
 
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I want a coaching change as bad as anyone but when it comes down to it it'll be about finances which means donors. The budget isn't going to carry the buyout without pulling funds from other areas which means football and I don't support that.

It's clear that his performance hasn't been good enough for him to continue, but for the finances to work out donors are going to have to step up, so what's everyone going to contribute? I'm likely going to bump up a level in donations this year, but that's a drop in the bucket for what needs to be raised.

I’ve seen this over and over. You cannot make a decision purely based on financials. You have to consider program status, ability to turn things around, etc, etc in addition to the finances. If any leader of a $100 million business makes decisions based only on finances, especially in college athletics, they aren’t a very good leader.

It will cost about $5 million to fire Prohm. And if we bring him back for another year, it will cost around $3.75 million to fire him then. Even with COVID impacts, if you don’t think Steve Prohm is the right guy to get ISU back (he’s not) - you HAVE to fire him this year. Because waiting another year only saves around $1.25 million. Pollard knows this.
 
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This was probably talked about in another thread though but a comment from other night game. Starting Schuster and Steyer seems to be telling that the decision is made on CSP. I don't know if it means he's going or back, but that was not the move or someone fighting for their job.

(Although he's had plenty of rotation decisions that made no sense to me so who knows)

It's been a long standing tradition at ISU to start all the senior on Senior day at ISU. Fennelly usually lets them play for 5 minutes or till a time out. The mens team has let them play varying amounts of time that I can remember.

Starting the Srs is the right thing to do. Any team worth it's salt can start it's seniors on Sr day.
 
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