I actually think The Emperor is the best villain. He orchestrated the end of the Republic and hid himself right under the noses of the entire Jedi council.
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I actually think The Emperor is the best villain. He orchestrated the end of the Republic and hid himself right under the noses of the entire Jedi council.
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ok, so then back to Hoth, if the Emperor knew it was Vader's kid on Hoth, and he'd decided to turn him to the dark side, and the Emperor is the Emperor of the Empire, then why would he charge them with bringing down the shield generator and destroying the rebel base? That doesn't make any sense.
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So the Emperor's thinking is flawed...how again does this make Vader a "bad" villain?
Vader knows Luke is his son at that point. I read a book told from Vaders POV in which he thinks about getting Luke on his side to help him overthrow the Emperor. He may have been acting on his own going down to the base to get Luke.
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I'll go along with this. He's the real badass--the puppet master behind the scenes using Vader as his muscle.
Old witch from snow white and the seven dwarfs. That old ***** was in every single one of my nightmares when I was a kid and I was completely terrified of her
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For anyone who hasn't seen the new House of Cards on Netflix yet, do it. Spacey is pure evil in a frighteningly plausible way.
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because Vader went right along with it, and if it hadn't taken the ATAT's so long to destroy the generator, Vader never would have been able to get into the base because it would have been bombed to smithereens. Remember, by the time the stormtroopers got into the base, most of the rebels weren't even there, save Han, Leia, et al.
I ate apples. But never carmel apples. Saw the old witch at disney make carmel apples. I cried when my mom went in there to get one because I was so freaked out
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How do you know it wasn't coordinated that way? Maybe the objective all along was to distract the Rebels with the ATAT and ATST walkers so that Vader could slip in and capture Luke before turning the Rebel base into toast? That plan may have worked brilliantly if Han and Chewbacca hadn't been tipped off by finding the probe droid.
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except, where was Luke during the attack? He was a fighter pilot, and a damned good one, so he was out in the field fending off the attack. Vader and Palpatine already knew he was a good pilot. They would have had to assume that he would be in a ship defending the attack. And yet, where did Vader go? The base. AKA, the last place that the rebels would stash their best pilot during an attack.
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No. The Rebels were abandoning the base because they knew they were no match for the Empire; the only reason they were fighting the walkers was to provide enough time and cover for an appropriate evacuation. The guys fending off the walkers were cannon fodder, and Luke was only among them because he's stubborn and full of pride. The rational choice for a fighter pilot of his caliber would be to get the hell out of there as fast as he could, for the long-term benefit of the Rebellion. Assuming that he'd either be in the base or already gone is a safe assumption for the Empire to make; the front lines of a suicide mission should have been the last place for Skywalker to be.
