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deadeyededric

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I moved from Des Moines to greater KC (Shawnee) a few months ago and wish I would have done it sooner. DM definitely has some things going for it but I don't think there is a more laid back major metro in America than greater KC. It's got a true Midwest feel. St. Louis seems more East to me. I was in Greater PHX for a year before I moved back to DM for 3 years. I enjoyed PHX too I just didn't want to pay to live there anymore
 

deadeyededric

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I think Des Moines and KC have real similar vibes. Omaha too.

I agree that St Louis feels more eastern.
Omaha is a smaller version of KC. The DM metro is like Johnson Count, KS. You can't go wrong in either 3 imo. I never thought I'd live on the KS side down here but Shawnee is kind of a cool little suburb.
 

throwittoblythe

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I think Des Moines and KC have real similar vibes. Omaha too.

I agree that St Louis feels more eastern.
We lived in Omaha for 5+ years right after school. This was almost 20 years ago, but that town was boring AF back then. It was a decent place to live (cheap, bigger airport than DSM, etc). But you basically had the CWS for two weeks in the summer and the zoo. That was pretty much it save for an occasional concert.

However, it seems like they've done a really nice job making the city more attractive in the last 10 years. All the development downtown and on the riverfront is really nice.
 

deadeyededric

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We lived in Omaha for 5+ years right after school. This was almost 20 years ago, but that town was boring AF back then. It was a decent place to live (cheap, bigger airport than DSM, etc). But you basically had the CWS for two weeks in the summer and the zoo. That was pretty much it save for an occasional concert.

However, it seems like they've done a really nice job making the city more attractive in the last 10 years. All the development downtown and on the riverfront is really nice.
Omaha is booming right now. They and DM go back and forth for being that "medium-size" city
 

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Omaha is a smaller version of KC. The DM metro is like Johnson Count, KS. You can't go wrong in either 3 imo. I never thought I'd live on the KS side down here but Shawnee is kind of a cool little suburb.

I don’t see the similarities between KC/Omaha/StL. Omaha and DSM are little cities, KC and StL are Medium-Large cities.
 
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We lived in Omaha for 5+ years right after school. This was almost 20 years ago, but that town was boring AF back then. It was a decent place to live (cheap, bigger airport than DSM, etc). But you basically had the CWS for two weeks in the summer and the zoo. That was pretty much it save for an occasional concert.

However, it seems like they've done a really nice job making the city more attractive in the last 10 years. All the development downtown and on the riverfront is really nice.
Correct. Omaha sucks. Nobody move to Omaha, it's got nothing going for it. Move to KC or somewhere else please. Nothing to see here
 

deadeyededric

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I don’t see the similarities between KC/Omaha/StL. Omaha and DSM are little cities, KC and StL are Medium-Large cities.
KC, Stl, Pit, Cinci, and Cleveland are all about 2.2-2 4 million or so in the metro. I agree they are on the small side of major cities. Omaha has way more diversity and culture than DM. It just does.
 

throwittoblythe

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Correct. Omaha sucks. Nobody move to Omaha, it's got nothing going for it. Move to KC or somewhere else please. Nothing to see here
When we first moved to Omaha, there was no CWS stadium. They had just built what was then the "Qwest Center." They built CWS while we lived there. Since then, they've added the zoo expansion, and all the new stuff by the stadium, and all the stuff on the riverfront.

Hell, I used to work right next door to the Blackstone District. Back then it was not a place you wanted to be at night. Now it's a thriving district, from what I see.
 

deadeyededric

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When we first moved to Omaha, there was no CWS stadium. They had just built what was then the "Qwest Center." They built CWS while we lived there. Since then, they've added the zoo expansion, and all the new stuff by the stadium, and all the stuff on the riverfront.

Hell, I used to work right next door to the Blackstone District. Back then it was not a place you wanted to be at night. Now it's a thriving district, from what I see.
It's booming. Way more than Des Moines right now in terms of big projects.
 
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AuH2O

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KC, Stl, Pit, Cinci, and Cleveland are all about 2.2-2 4 million or so in the metro. I agree they are on the small side of major cities. Omaha has way more diversity and culture than DM. It just does.
I still think there's a huge step change between DM/Omaha and places like KC and StL. I suppose having a sports focus that tends to skew my viewpoint a lot, so major pro sports seem to be my primary indicator.

Omaha definitely has more going on than DM, but in the grand scheme of things they are fairly similar.
 

AuH2O

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I moved from Des Moines to greater KC (Shawnee) a few months ago and wish I would have done it sooner. DM definitely has some things going for it but I don't think there is a more laid back major metro in America than greater KC. It's got a true Midwest feel. St. Louis seems more East to me. I was in Greater PHX for a year before I moved back to DM for 3 years. I enjoyed PHX too I just didn't want to pay to live there anymore
I also think people don't realize that the cost of living in the DM metro isn't that great. When we stupidly moved back to Iowa from the CO, people always assumed it was great to escape the high prices from the mythical mass migrations from CA. Interestingly I met people that came from about every state, and I don't think I met a single CA transplant. Lots of former midwesterners.

All-in our cost of living was pretty similar to living in Ames, though I think that gap has grown since, but not so much that it probably made sense to trade being an hour from a Nuggets or Rockies game or 15 minutes being up in the mountains.

But we can walk to Hilton, so there's that.
 

deadeyededric

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I also think people don't realize that the cost of living in the DM metro isn't that great. When we stupidly moved back to Iowa from the CO, people always assumed it was great to escape the high prices from the mythical mass migrations from CA. Interestingly I met people that came from about every state, and I don't think I met a single CA transplant. Lots of former midwesterners.

All-in our cost of living was pretty similar to living in Ames, though I think that gap has grown since, but not so much that it probably made sense to trade being an hour from a Nuggets or Rockies game or 15 minutes being up in the mountains.

But we can walk to Hilton, so there's that.
Being close to ISU sporting events has always been a big seller of DM to me for sure. The property taxes in Central Iowa aren't cheap. At this point in my life I just have more family and friends within an hour or so of KC. It's insane how large some of this countries metros have gotten. I mean greater KC is 3x what greater DM is yet greater PHX must be 3x what greater KC is. It takes a solid hour and 30 min. to get from Apache Junction to Glendale even.
 

AuH2O

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Being close to ISU sporting events has always been a big seller of DM to me for sure. The property taxes in Central Iowa aren't cheap.
In CO my property taxes were way cheaper, and sales tax is less than half. State income taxes were pretty similar. Housing was about the same at the time, but has since separated. Still not that big of a difference.

Having all the grandparents and most family clustered in Iowa as brand new parents was a powerful draw.
 
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deadeyededric

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In CO my property taxes were way cheaper, and sales tax is less than half. State income taxes were pretty similar. Housing was about the same at the time, but has since separated. Still not that big of a difference.

Having all the grandparents and most family clustered in Iowa as brand new parents was a powerful draw.
There's nothing more important than family.
 

CascadeClone

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The age of the cities is important too. Dubuque is the oldest city in Iowa, by a wide margin. Ames was founded 20 years after statehood, and didn't really start it's major growth for at least another 100 years.

Dubuque has some actual adjacent suburbs too, like Asbury and Peosta. I'm sure those make it seem bigger.
I wouldn't call Peosta a suburb of DBQ. Bedroom community, sure.

More like Norwalk>DSM relationship.
 

AuH2O

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There's nothing more important than family.
In reality, my wife and I saw our families quite a bit even living 11 hours away. Being in a place people liked to visit helped. There was also a special draw since my Dad was stationed there and my folks nearly decided to settle in CO after he got out of the Army.

We still live 2 hours away from parents, which is about right. Day trips are no problem, but enough separation to keep from the drop-in visit.

BTW, friends from KC and MSP metros get to plenty of ISU games. Not a bad drive from KC.
 

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We did Arizona for 5 years after retirement. Lived west of Surprize and could usually drive 2 hours southeast and never leave the metro and it continues to expand in every direction. Miss the weather and golf but moved back to Ames for the Cyclones and family. Property taxes were half in Arizona on a larger and more expensive house but other expenses were pretty much a wash. Nice to walk to Trice and Hilton.
 

deadeyededric

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In reality, my wife and I saw our families quite a bit even living 11 hours away. Being in a place people liked to visit helped. There was also a special draw since my Dad was stationed there and my folks nearly decided to settle in CO after he got out of the Army.

We still live 2 hours away from parents, which is about right. Day trips are no problem, but enough separation to keep from the drop-in visit.

BTW, friends from KC and MSP metros get to plenty of ISU games. Not a bad drive from KC.
I would have moved to MSP years ago if I could handle the winters. Great city. I loved living in PHX but as a union worker in a non-union state it just got old. I think picking a location or any place in general is based on the individual. You may have reasons to live somewhere that I may not find as important. The real key is to find a place that you aren't miserable. One of the reasons I like KC to is because there are a lot of ISU grads here.
 
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