***2024-25 Mens College Basketball Thread***
- Thread starter BigJCy
- Start date
He wouldn't want this smoke in either situation. I am into things that would make @CoachHines3 blush.
I massively undervalued the fire and passion for Drake hoops on this board. Me? I am more of UC San Diego guy.
Let’s say it was. Would this board and the many Drake advocates be doing the same for them? I doubt it. Some weird relationship with Drake.
I cannot speak for others, but I live in Des Moines. 100% Cyclone, but I root for Drake too on the side. Main reason is that it is really easy to go to Drake Games for a low price for folks in DSM. I made it to 6 games this year (SFA, Belmont, UNI, Indiana State, Bradley and Missouri State). That being said, if they were in Dubuque or Sioux City, I wouldn't give a hoot about Drake. Also, I enjoyed my two games @ Hilton this season (WBB vs. Drake and MBB vs. Cincinnati) more than all of the Drake games I have ever been to combined.
Let's Go State!
I live in Des Moines too, and have been to a few games this year because I love basketball. It could be any other random team and I would go, but I’m not out here rooting for Drake by any means. I don’t give a **** about them.I cannot speak for others, but I live in Des Moines. 100% Cyclone, but I root for Drake too on the side. Main reason is that it is really easy to go to Drake Games for a low price for folks in DSM. I made it to 6 games this year (SFA, Belmont, UNI, Indiana State, Bradley and Missouri State). That being said, if they were in Dubuque or Sioux City, I wouldn't give a hoot about Drake. Also, I enjoyed my two games @ Hilton this season (WBB vs. Drake and MBB vs. Cincinnati) more than all of the Drake games I have ever been to combined.
Let's Go State!
Same here. I just like basketball and seeing games in DSM. I went to the Hawkeye double header last season @ WFA and the NCAA Tournament two years ago too just to go to games in DSM. Wish we had more!
I like to see they are winning but at the end of the day if they lose it doesn’t effect my emotional state lol
Tournament thankfully comes back to DSM in 2028. Was hoping they might swing 2026 and 2028 but way too much competition at this point.
I've been going to Drake games since I was a kid because its D1 basketball with good seats, cheap tickets and now the environment is light years improved.
Drake is a good basketball team and send them to Dayton for all I care... but I guess I don't see why its become so controversial to say their resume is not great.
No one cares, I’m sure, but here’s a breakdown of the bubble and who Drake should be being compared to. I posted this earlier but updated quite a bit this week with teams winning/losing.
Big 12 (8)
SEC (10)
Big Ten (8)
Big East (4)
ACC (3)
MWC (1)
31 auto bids from conference tourneys. That leaves 37 at large bids on the table.
29 at large from P5 assuming a ‘lock’ team in these leagues win the conference tourney + 26 auto bids = 55 bids already taken assuming NO bubble teams from P5 get a bid and there are no bid stealers in the P5 tourneys. That leaves 12 bids for possible bubble P5 as well as these teams which are very likely at large teams:
If those teams are in, that leaves 6 at large bids for teams such as:
To me, these teams right above this for the last 6 spots are the teams Drake is up against the most when comparing resumes. 10 teams for 6 spots. And as of today, whether you agree with it or not, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, and Ohio State are all very likely in. So if that’s the case, there are TWO spots for the rest of the teams.
And this is all assuming chalk in all tourneys with zero bid stealers. If teams like Memphis or St. Mary’s/Gonzaga don’t win their tourney’s, chances for ANY at large for basically any of these teams are pretty low. And I’m not even including teams like Oklahoma or Texas because I don’t think they deserve to be in but they’re likely ahead of a lot of these other teams sadly.
Drake wins tomorrow they’ll be in obviously. But if they lose, those teams listed above with the NET and Q info are who people should be comparing to. And sadly, as I said, probably Oklahoma even though I personally don’t think they deserve it…chances are the committee no doubt have them in the mix.
Big 12 (8)
- Houston
- Iowa State
- Texas Tech
- Kansas
- Arizona
- BYU
- Baylor
- West Virginia
SEC (10)
- Auburn
- Alabama
- Tennessee
- Florida
- Mississippi
- Mississippi State
- Vandy
- Missouri
- A&M
- Kentucky
Big Ten (8)
- Michigan State
- Michigan
- Wisconsin
- Purdue
- Maryland
- Illinois
- Oregon
- UCLA
Big East (4)
- St. John’s
- Marquette
- Creighton
- UCONN
ACC (3)
- Duke
- Louisville
- Clemson
MWC (1)
- St. Mary’s/Gonzaga loser will get an at large
31 auto bids from conference tourneys. That leaves 37 at large bids on the table.
29 at large from P5 assuming a ‘lock’ team in these leagues win the conference tourney + 26 auto bids = 55 bids already taken assuming NO bubble teams from P5 get a bid and there are no bid stealers in the P5 tourneys. That leaves 12 bids for possible bubble P5 as well as these teams which are very likely at large teams:
- St. Mary’s/Gonzaga
- Memphis
- New Mexico
- Utah State
- VCU
- San Diego State
If those teams are in, that leaves 6 at large bids for teams such as:
- Drake (NET 59, 2 Q1 wins, 3 Q3 losses)
- Boise State (NET 49, 2 Q1 wins, 2 Q3 losses)
- Ohio State
- Georgia
- Arkansas
- Indiana
- Xavier (NET 46, 1 Q1 win, 0 Q3 losses)
- UNC (NET 38, 1 Q1 win, 1 Q3 loss)
- UC San Diego/UC Irvine (whoever doesn’t win tourney)
- Colorado State (NET 55, 1 Q1 win, 2 Q2 losses, 2Q3 losses)
To me, these teams right above this for the last 6 spots are the teams Drake is up against the most when comparing resumes. 10 teams for 6 spots. And as of today, whether you agree with it or not, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, and Ohio State are all very likely in. So if that’s the case, there are TWO spots for the rest of the teams.
And this is all assuming chalk in all tourneys with zero bid stealers. If teams like Memphis or St. Mary’s/Gonzaga don’t win their tourney’s, chances for ANY at large for basically any of these teams are pretty low. And I’m not even including teams like Oklahoma or Texas because I don’t think they deserve to be in but they’re likely ahead of a lot of these other teams sadly.
Drake wins tomorrow they’ll be in obviously. But if they lose, those teams listed above with the NET and Q info are who people should be comparing to. And sadly, as I said, probably Oklahoma even though I personally don’t think they deserve it…chances are the committee no doubt have them in the mix.
I don't get the argument that they aren't already getting their chances.
26 of the 68 bids are already reserved for non-p5 conference champions. That's almost 40% of all bids reserved for "little guys".
37 bids are for at large teams. These are supposed to be the best teams based on the range of metrics we have. Not simply giving a leg up to teams because they are 'little guys'. (Though even these sometimes do still give an extra advantage because they still consider NCSOS which inherently favors non-p5 teams because non P5 generally play the toughest parts of their schedule in nov/dec)
I look at the range of metrics on a team like drake and I don't see them as one of the top 37 bids if they don't auto-qualify. They've notched a bunch of wins, sure, but not really against anyone good. And unlike some teams that have gotten bids despite not having quality wins, drake didn't take care of business vs some really bad teams. It doesn't make sense to both ignore their lack of good wins and ignore their horrific losses.
The comparison to Indiana state last year is valid too. And they had a wayyyyyy higher net
Drake really needs Bradley to win this game vs Valpo. They could lose to Bradley and still get in, but a loss to Valpo would crush them.
North Texas is the team in AAC that could potentially steal a bid.
An early out for Boise would also be good for them, but the longer Boise plays the better that resume gets.
Even with a win over Duke would they deserve an at large? I personally don’t think so. But that would be one massive win on their resume.
