2/14 Coaches Panel Rankings

[stuclone]

https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2019/February/14/NCAA-coaches-RPI-rankings

125- 24th (18 RPI)
133- 7th (5 RPI)
141- 12th (20 RPI)
149- 13th (6 RPI)
157- NR (29 RPI)- note Wyatt Sheets, who Straw beat is 22 in the coaches panel
165- NR (NR)
174- 21st (17 RPI)
184- 15th (7 RPI)
197- 5th (NR- not eligible for RPI due to lack of matches)
Hwt- 25th (19 RPI)

Overall, pretty favorable ranking for the clones. I think Straw has an outside shot at getting a coaches panel ranking if he can knock of Jacques, but I also think Straw can make the finals in the Big 12 tourney to steal an allocation if he doesn't end up earning one. Looking pretty good to qualify 8, outside chance at 9 or all 10.

 

[buf87]

With the RPI, more guys will become eligible as they reach 17 matches, so guys in the mid 20's are not safe.

Big 12 info
125 - 6 in top 26 RPI
7 in top 27 Coaches Poll

133 - 7 in the top 29 RPI
5 in the Top 16 in Coaches poll

141 - 5 in the top 20 RPI
6 in the top 18 in coaches poll

149 - 9 in the top 33 in RPI
7 in the top 24 in coaches poll

157 - 3 in top 29 in RPI
4 from 22-33 in coaches poll
Big 10 has top 6 RPI's & 9 of top 12 in coaches

165 - 3 in top 20 in RPI
6 in top 22 in Coaches

174 - 7 in top 31 in RPI
6 in top 31 in Coaches Poll

184 - 7 in the top 25 in RPI
7 in the top 32 in coaches

197 - 6 in the top 29 in RPI
9 in top 32 in Coaches poll

285 - 7 in the top 29 in RPI
7 in the top 31 in coaches
5 of top 6 from Big 10 in RPI

 

[GrappleCy]

157 - 3 in top 29 in RPI
4 from 22-33 in coaches poll
Big 10 has top 6 RPI's & 9 of top 12 in coaches

What sucks though is only Wright from Fresno State is in both the RPI and the coaches panel. It isn't set in stone but the Big 12 might only get one allocation at 157. That'd be brutal.

 

[GrappleCy]

I'm surprised Coleman climbed up four spots with the loss on Monday but hey, I'm not gonna complain.

 

[JM4CY]

Why is Ian's RPI so low relative to ranking? I thought he's had several solid wins?

 

[buf87]

Sheets needs to head up to the last chance open.

Hadn't looked to see how all the potential Ok State lineup changes may affect the conference.

 

[buf87]

Why is Ian's RPI so low relative to ranking? I thought he's had several solid wins?

What all goes into RPI? @GrappleCy probably knows.

Maybe margin of victory????

 

[buf87]

Ok State information, because they are supposedly moving everyone around from 165 to 197 at the Big 12 tourney

At 157, No Ok State in RPI, Sheets at #22 in Coaches Poll
At 165, No Ok State in RPI, Rogers at #10 in Coaches poll
At 174, Joe Smith at #5 in RPI and #6 in Coaches Poll, but might be going down to challenge Rogers at 165
At 184, No Ok State in RPI, Jacobe Smith at #9 in Coaches, but might be going down to 174
At 197, No Ok State in RPI, Dakota Geer at #15 in Coaches, but might be going down to 184 because Weigel in coming back.

If a lot of these chances happen, Big 12 may lose an allocation from 165 to 197 and go back into at large pool

 

[GrappleCy]

What all goes into RPI? @GrappleCy probably knows.

Maybe margin of victory????

No it's just your win percentage multiplied by your opponent's win percentage multiplied by your opponent's opponent's win percentage. Basically it normalizes your win percentage for different strengths of schedule - if you have a 0.800 percentage but have wrestled a bunch of bad wrestlers you'll have a lower RPI than somebody with a 0.600 win percentage that has wrestled a bunch of good wrestlers.

 

[buf87]

No it's just your win percentage multiplied by your opponent's win percentage multiplied by your opponent's opponent's win percentage. Basically it normalizes your win percentage for different strengths of schedule - if you have a 0.800 percentage but have wrestled a bunch of bad wrestlers you'll have a lower RPI than somebody with a 0.600 win percentage that has wrestled a bunch of good wrestlers.

I knew you would know!!!!

 

[BillyClone]

What all goes into RPI? @GrappleCy probably knows.

Maybe margin of victory????

This is from the NCAA Div 1 Qualifier Allocation Criteria:

RPI is calculated by the following formula: 25% RPI winning percentage, 50% opponents RPI winning percentage and 25% opponent's opponent RPI winning percentage

Only matches against Division I opponents at the designated weight class count towards the RPI.
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(Edit - GrappleCy is too fast for me)

 

[GrappleCy]

This is from the NCAA Div 1 Qualifier Allocation Criteria:

RPI is calculated by the following formula: 25% RPI winning percentage, 50% opponents RPI winning percentage and 25% opponent's opponent RPI winning percentage

Only matches against Division I opponents at the designated weight class count towards the RPI.
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(Edit - GrappleCy is too fast for me)

You had a more full answer anyways. It's frustrating trying to glean stuff from the NCAA publications because a lot of times they are outright wrong and other times they are poorly written and unclear. For example in this case the pre-championship manual says "RPI is defined as Win %*, opponents’ Win %*, opponents’ opponents’ Win % (17-match minimum)." while on the same NCAA website there's a "selection criteria grid" with what you posted. I'm guessing what you posted is right, and what is in the manual is wrong.

The gist is still the same, it's normalizing win percentage for different levels of competition. But the actual formula is different from the official publication and the clarifying spreadsheet.

 

[GrappleCy]

Speaking of...

If medical forfeits count on records that's news to me. That'd add 2 losses for Parker and probably add some wins for various other guys. I don't feel like that's a correct statement by the NCAA there. I wonder if they just meant dual forfeits count as a win.

 

[csteve]

Speaking of...

If medical forfeits count on records that's news to me. That'd add 2 losses for Parker and probably add some wins for various other guys. I don't feel like that's a correct statement by the NCAA there. I wonder if they just meant dual forfeits count as a win.

I assume that is what they mean. Dual meet forfeits count towards winning percentage. A medical default counts as a win/loss. A medical forfeit means the wrestler does not step on the mat and only occurs at a tournament. According to my memory, these do not count as a loss or win for either wrestler.

 

[GrappleCy]

I assume that is what they mean. Dual meet forfeits count towards winning percentage. A medical default counts as a win/loss. A medical forfeit means the wrestler does not step on the mat and only occurs at a tournament. According to my memory, these do not count as a loss or win for either wrestler.

I asked an expert. MFFs count as a win for the other wrestler, but not as a loss for the wrestler who is MFFing. So Parker doesn't add 2 losses to his record but Straw won 2 matches by MFF at the Scuffle so that makes him 18-9 instead of 16-9.

 

[Andegre]

I asked an expert. MFFs count as a win for the other wrestler, but not as a loss for the wrestler who is MFFing. So Parker doesn't add 2 losses to his record but Straw won 2 matches by MFF at the Scuffle so that makes him 18-9 instead of 16-9.

I'm looking at adding the RPI to the rankings pages, so I want to clarify something since you're our pseudo-expert

1) 17-match minimum is for all matches at their target weight vs opponents of the same division, correct?
2) MFF WINS count for a wrestler, but MFF LOSSES do not, correct?
3) MFF and FOR wins/losses count toward the RPI, but not for their 17-match minimum? Seems to partly contract #1.

Thanks

 

[buf87]

I asked an expert. MFFs count as a win for the other wrestler, but not as a loss for the wrestler who is MFFing. So Parker doesn't add 2 losses to his record but Straw won 2 matches by MFF at the Scuffle so that makes him 18-9 instead of 16-9.

So he has Jacques of Missouri (#16) and Paden Moore of UNI left?

20-9 gets him to 70%, I think. A couple wins at Last Chance may not hurt.

 

[buf87]

I'm looking at adding the RPI to the rankings pages, so I want to clarify something since you're our pseudo-expert

1) 17-match minimum is for all matches at their target weight vs opponents of the same division, correct?
2) MFF WINS count for a wrestler, but MFF LOSSES do not, correct?
3) MFF and FOR wins/losses count toward the RPI, but not for their 17-match minimum? Seems to partly contract #1.

Thanks

1. Is yes

GrappleCy can answer the rest

 

[GrappleCy]

I'm looking at adding the RPI to the rankings pages, so I want to clarify something since you're our pseudo-expert

1) 17-match minimum is for all matches at their target weight vs opponents of the same division, correct?
2) MFF WINS count for a wrestler, but MFF LOSSES do not, correct?
3) MFF and FOR wins/losses count toward the RPI, but not for their 17-match minimum? Seems to partly contract #1.

Thanks

Here's the spreadsheet from the NCAA website that breaks it all down

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ch.../2018-19D1MWR_QualifierAllocationCriteria.pdf


So
(1): Yes. All matches at the weight against other D-1 wrestlers. Matches at a different weight or against non D-1 guys don't count.
(2) Correct, according to Jason Bryant.
(3) That appears to be correct and I agree that it seems contradictory. It doesn't appear like there is a seperate "RPI win percentage". Though that leads to some weird questions like what is the win percentage of a forfeit opponent? Do the guys Stoll MFF'd against at Midlands get to include his win percentage in their RPI? Normally I'd say RPI is a black hole anyway so shrug my shoulders but you're exactly the person for who it would matter!

 

[Htowncyfan]

I knew you would know!!!!

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