SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff

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The reality is that if you go back 20 or really any number of years, the break out of 4/4/2/2 is probably pretty much how it would have broken out based on the conference teams are currently in. Leaves 4 spots for other teams that deserve to be in.
But this isn't really relevant now, if the conferences were like they are now, the results would've been totally different. Plus we saw the CFP committee move the goalposts to make sure they got the right brands in the playoff, nothing after the BCS ended should really be taken serious. BCS results were much less biased, the SEC and Big 12 were head and shoulders ahead of everyone else when you took out the human element.
 

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I don't really understand why they are afraid of. Most years, the SEC for sure would probably get 4 teams in anyway. Not sure on the Big 10, probably 3 anyway. I just never agree with giving lower ranked teams free entry into a tournament.
Those league want the guaranteed check each year, just in case they have an off year and only deserve 3 spots. No way they agree to letting the ACC and B12 getting 3 spots every year, as they eliminates the possibility of them getting more than the guaranteed 4 spots.
 

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Why? The NFL has 44% percent of the league in the playoffs even with this proposal counting only P4 schools only 23% get into the playoffs. Wouldn't this make regular season matter more because you can survive one bad loss or maybe 2 good losses and still make it in?
But half the NFL playoff teams don't come from only two divisions. That's what the B1G/$EC are pushing. Imagine every year the entire NFC East and AFC West were automatically put into the field and then everyone else had to fight for the last 8 spots. That's what the B1G/$EC are calling for.
 

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But half the NFL playoff teams don't come from only two divisions. That's what the B1G/$EC are pushing. Imagine every year the entire NFC East and AFC West were automatically put into the field and then everyone else had to fight for the last 8 spots. That's what the B1G/$EC are calling for.
But what I was responding to was saying that expending it was a mistake to expand the playoff to 12 which I disagree with.

FBS has far too few playoff spots for the number of teams in it.
 

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But what I was responding to was saying that expending it was a mistake to expand the playoff to 12 which I disagree with.

FBS has far too few playoff spots for the number of teams in it.
With the talent distribution the way it is it really doesn’t. A bunch of FBS teams are basically glorified HS Varsity programs. It’s really only the P4 that count and even in the P4 there are very few teams that can compete with the top programs
 

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With the talent distribution the way it is it really doesn’t. A bunch of FBS teams are basically glorified HS Varsity programs. It’s really only the P4 that count and even in the P4 there are very few teams that can compete with the top programs
Playoff should've been capped at 8, that would've been perfect. But was never going to happen.
 

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Those league want the guaranteed check each year, just in case they have an off year and only deserve 3 spots. No way they agree to letting the ACC and B12 getting 3 spots every year, as they eliminates the possibility of them getting more than the guaranteed 4 spots.
If any other conferences were in the same position as the B1G/SEC in all this, they'd be doing the same thing.
 
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Sadly, Big 12 should be satisfied with 2 teams. ACC has more big brands than the Big 12 and I can see them fighting for 3. If the Big 12 doesn't fight and the ACC does, Big 10 and SEC could just agree with the ACC. That would not be good if the ACC gets 1 more than the Big 12. But I am good with fighting the Big 10 and SEC on this since we have given in everytime so far.
And the ACC's middle of the pack to bottom dwellers are much worse than the other 3 power conferences.

So, I don't know if Miami, FSU and Clemson necessarily puts them ahead of the XII in this scenario as a conference being that their conference overall is much weaker.
 

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If any other conferences were in the same position as the B1G/SEC in all this, they'd be doing the same thing.

There’s no way to know for sure. Only the Big10 and SEC have had commissioners that have put money over anything else, including the good of the sport. They’ll have a short term gain that will eventually make CFB completely irrelevant to a majority of the country.
 

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There’s no way to know for sure. Only the Big10 and SEC have had commissioners that have put money over anything else, including the good of the sport. They’ll have a short term gain that will eventually make CFB completely irrelevant to a majority of the country.
If you seriously don't think Yormark or the ACC commish would be doing mostly the same things if their conferences were in the same position as Pettiti and Sankey, I think you're kidding yourself.
 

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With the talent distribution the way it is it really doesn’t. A bunch of FBS teams are basically glorified HS Varsity programs. It’s really only the P4 that count and even in the P4 there are very few teams that can compete with the top programs
Then there are too many FBS teams and too many P4 teams. Without expanding the Big 12 would have zero representation almost every year.
 
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If you seriously don't think Yormark or the ACC commish would be doing mostly the same things if their conferences were in the same position as Pettiti and Sankey, I think you're kidding yourself.

I haven’t seen the Big12 and Big East demand that they have automatic seeds in the NCAA tournament. Their dominance of CBB has been similar to the SEC and tOSU’s in CFB.
 

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I haven’t seen the Big12 and Big East demand that they have automatic seeds in the NCAA tournament. Their dominance of CBB has been similar to the SEC and tOSU’s in CFB.
In hindsight it would have been smart for the Big 12, PAC 12, and ACC to push for an NCAA ran championship
 

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I haven’t seen the Big12 and Big East demand that they have automatic seeds in the NCAA tournament. Their dominance of CBB has been similar to the SEC and tOSU’s in CFB.
It's not the winning, it's the money that football brings in to the schools. Money is the reason that they expanded the playoff from 8 to 12 and before long it will be 16. The conferences and the schools like Alabama and Ohio State that will get in on a yearly basis want that extra money and the fame that goes with it. Basketball will never have that pull, no matter how many championships schools from the Big East win.
 

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I haven’t seen the Big12 and Big East demand that they have automatic seeds in the NCAA tournament. Their dominance of CBB has been similar to the SEC and tOSU’s in CFB.
If that's your rationale for why you don't think Yormark would do whatever he could to make the Big 12 the most $$$$ as humanly possible in college football, I'll just go ahead and disagree. Lol.
 
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Ok which teams would you like to cut then? Pretty sure if you cut most of the G5 no one would even notice
I think we agree on the facts, but disagree on that a large talent disparity means we should have a smaller playoff.

To answer your question: an 8 team playoff with talent being the primary determining factor and fan base size being second. Everyone should be cut except Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, Washington, USC, Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson
 

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I think we agree on the facts, but disagree on that a large talent disparity means we should have a smaller playoff.

To answer your question: an 8 team playoff with talent being the primary determining factor and fan base size being second. Everyone should be cut except Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, Washington, USC, Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson
We do agree on the 8 team playoff part lol
 

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I know the media touts how college football ratings are even more robust than before. I guess they haven't polled or tracked me. I used to watch morning to night college football. Not anymore. Refuse to watch any SEC or Big 10, just ISU and Big 12.

I have no data to back it up, but I’d think a lot of the strength in college football ratings are due to sports gamblers watching games.