Bob Lazar
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Listened to the Rogan podcast and he seemed very credible. Then you read a bit and it seems to fall apart. I haven't spent much time researching this, but this is a pretty good writeup that debunks Lazar pretty well: http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/...bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/
The Bob Lazar doc. is a fun Sci-Fi NetFlix thing. I could have done without the heavy bass music and dramatically deep, raspy wise old man over voice lecturing in cosmic tidbits.
I have always loved UFO stuff and read it like Sci-Fi literature as a kid. Lazar has been an on-again, off-again topic for me. It exists in that shadowy world of "wow how could that be true" and then the incidents in his life makes you uneasy. But really with all the stuff claimed there is so little solid evidence.
For starters where is the video of the endless parade of agents in the recent raid of his workshop? The neighbors say something happened but yet where are the cell phone vids. I could go into other stuff but its seems futile to even get in the weeds with Area 51 topic and maybe that is the goal.
I have always loved UFO stuff and read it like Sci-Fi literature as a kid. Lazar has been an on-again, off-again topic for me. It exists in that shadowy world of "wow how could that be true" and then the incidents in his life makes you uneasy. But really with all the stuff claimed there is so little solid evidence.
For starters where is the video of the endless parade of agents in the recent raid of his workshop? The neighbors say something happened but yet where are the cell phone vids. I could go into other stuff but its seems futile to even get in the weeds with Area 51 topic and maybe that is the goal.
Clearly this person is a government agent on a disinformation campaign.
Got maybe 5 minutes into it last night, but the 3 year old refused to go to sleep so had to postpone the rest.
Initial reaction: it'd be nice if they skipped all the weird ass theatrics at the beginning. All that just makes the wife more skeptical in my doc choice for the evening, get to the point!
Initial reaction: it'd be nice if they skipped all the weird ass theatrics at the beginning. All that just makes the wife more skeptical in my doc choice for the evening, get to the point!
Just remember billions of planets and solar systems exist. In 1988/89 I don't believe that was anywhere close to mainstream thinking or belief. Think about that now and that seems totally dumb/ignorant we didn't already believe that.
Also, you have to keep in mind the testimony/interviews with the military pilots. They know that what they saw was nothing they have seen before or of any kind of conventional technology and movements the human body cannot withstand with tech we know of. Someone has it and it came from somewhere. Again just hope it is the good guys.
Also, you have to keep in mind the testimony/interviews with the military pilots. They know that what they saw was nothing they have seen before or of any kind of conventional technology and movements the human body cannot withstand with tech we know of. Someone has it and it came from somewhere. Again just hope it is the good guys.
Yeah I get it. And I also get they fed info that was disinformation. Wondered same things. Why put some sort of USA emblem on the aircraft? That seems so dumb, but yet we are talking about the government. Also, he states at least one or more of the craft were found in some archaeological dig?? To me that was a bit too much, but again could have been disinformation he was fed.
In our lifetimes we will know I believe. Think how things change. As Joe states it is one of the two big questions in life, are we alone and what happens after someone dies.
I found the Rogan podcast/youtube better and Joe adds a lot of good commentary to it and asks a lot of questions. The documentary thing on Netflix was just kind of weird in the way it is produced. It does talk about stuff not in the podcast but the way he put it together for the documentary just was kind of strange.
Here's my opinion on the guy and mystery surrounding him:
The guy is very intelligent and did go to these various universities and worked at Los Alamos, etc. He likely worked on secret government research for what is actually at Area 51 - high tech and experimental military aircraft, missiles, etc. At some point, he started believing crazy conspiracies about aliens. This could easily happen, even to an intelligent person. Maybe he had a really bad year (think divorce, deaths in the family, etc) and lost it for a while. Then, he started filtering all of his world through the lens that aliens are real and there is some kind of secret shadow government, etc. Eventually, he starts going public with his ideas, which causes MIT, CalTech, Los Alamos, etc to disown him. These kinds of organizations do not want to be associated with alien conspiracy theorists. They all now deny any association to him because they do not want to lend any credence to his theories.
I also think people need to remember that there is a significant difference between aliens and UFOs. Aliens have not been seen or reported by any credible witnesses. UFOs have been seen by credible witnesses. There are a lot of things out there which have no relation to aliens at all that we don't understand about the universe. Many UFOs were secret government research planes seen by random people, many more are just people seeing things they can't understand and attributing it to aliens. The human mind is a strange thing. Our brains are so programmed to recognize certain patterns that we see them even when they aren't there. For example, people often look at a random pile of sticks and leaves and see a human face.
It's boring, but that's reality.
The guy is very intelligent and did go to these various universities and worked at Los Alamos, etc. He likely worked on secret government research for what is actually at Area 51 - high tech and experimental military aircraft, missiles, etc. At some point, he started believing crazy conspiracies about aliens. This could easily happen, even to an intelligent person. Maybe he had a really bad year (think divorce, deaths in the family, etc) and lost it for a while. Then, he started filtering all of his world through the lens that aliens are real and there is some kind of secret shadow government, etc. Eventually, he starts going public with his ideas, which causes MIT, CalTech, Los Alamos, etc to disown him. These kinds of organizations do not want to be associated with alien conspiracy theorists. They all now deny any association to him because they do not want to lend any credence to his theories.
I also think people need to remember that there is a significant difference between aliens and UFOs. Aliens have not been seen or reported by any credible witnesses. UFOs have been seen by credible witnesses. There are a lot of things out there which have no relation to aliens at all that we don't understand about the universe. Many UFOs were secret government research planes seen by random people, many more are just people seeing things they can't understand and attributing it to aliens. The human mind is a strange thing. Our brains are so programmed to recognize certain patterns that we see them even when they aren't there. For example, people often look at a random pile of sticks and leaves and see a human face.
It's boring, but that's reality.
Regarding Lazar, I feel like this doesn't make any sense. And to think the schools erased his history without pressure from any organization makes even less sense. Brilliant people go crazy all the time, their schools don't erase their history.
The Drake equation has been around since what, the 60s? I think it was considered fairly mainstream and certainly more likely than not by the 80s.
I plan to watch the documentary. I had read about him a lot and watched the Rogan interview, and it was fascinating.
I'm not a huge UFO guy, but I really am interested in his story.
I'm not a huge UFO guy, but I really am interested in his story.
demoncore1031
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The doc was made by a douchebag hipster and, even though I love Mickey Rourke, he was an odd choice for narrator.
Listened to the podcast today and being a skeptic with this stuff, I’m not sure what to think. At certain points I felt myself calling ******** but for the most part, I felt he came off very credible. Maybe I’ve watched too many TV shows but I find it very plausible that the .gov had the resources, especially with the lack of electronic files, to wipe his records and keep people silent.
Ole Barry, if he’s still alive, needs to come forward to corroborate the story.
Ole Barry, if he’s still alive, needs to come forward to corroborate the story.
Incompetent? It is often (at least historically) filled with the the best people who often do something because they love it not for the money (though competitive pay is important). Typically people mean bureaucratic machinery makes no sense at a lot of levels even though it may have a goal. It makes no sense not because it is incompetent but hasn't evolved yet to solve a problem.
demoncore1031
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No, incompetent is the correct word. We have far too many people that are homeless and the government does nothing about it. That is one of hundreds of examples I could give.
Where do most of these politicians come from? Rich families. They are handed everything and don't know what it's like to struggle in life. They don't have to work in a factory and live paycheck to paycheck. And a majority of them are corrupt. This is why I have never voted and probably never will. Because the choices we are given are complete garbage.
Keep living in fantasy land though. We live in a country ran by horrible scumbags that do not care about any of us.
NASA!? for starters was for all of us and took us to the Moon. When there was a problem the Gov. experts were the top of the line on-call to fix a problem. You now live in a world were Gov. has been denigrated, taken apart and we are instilled with disinformation. Too bad you live in this modern world were Gov. is the now considered "the problem" as a addled old Prez. once said. Good luck to you to rely on nice monopolies and billionaire sociopaths who only have your best interest at heart.
