Seneca
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Still had to either make the extra point, or go for the 2 pt conversion. The next play was stuffed, so I guess the 2 pt conversion would have been stuffed as well. So perhaps McCarney would have been forced out sooner?
I would like to see more players finish the play protecting the ball like Billups did here. The crazy thing about that play was the only reason Billups was back there was because our regular kick returner had just gotten injured.
McCarney was quoted as saying that they had already decided to go for 2 and the play he was going to use was the one he ended up having to use on the last play of the game so if they had called him in it is likely that they would have stuffed him on the try. But we can't say that for sure since it would have been a huge momentum swing if ISU was going for the win on that play. There is no telling how that would have affected the psyche of both units on the field. Just like the OSU defense in 2011. That OSU defense had lost all will after the OT interception which made Woody's job much easier.
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Watch the receiver Seneca was looking at and you'll realize why we sucked the rest of the way.
Yet he was backup in Seattle of all places. I don't think that blame falls on Seneca.
Boise State game: we were exhausted physically and mentally. After such an encouraging start, that was a huge letdown to go to Boise. Couple of players were suspended that morning. IIRC some of the players publicly made comments that they were never not thrilled to go to Boise and ended up having to apologize to humanitarian Bowl.
Seneca got hit below the knee (he was asked whether it was a legal hit or cheap shot and he said "you decide") and Hawkins ran up the score. still can't forgive him for those things.
Seneca got hit below the knee (he was asked whether it was a legal hit or cheap shot and he said "you decide") and Hawkins ran up the score. still can't forgive him for those things.
Another side of the story, IIRC, was our OC became overreliant on Seneca that we didn't even bother developing our running game and we didn't have anyone with Ennis Haywood who graduated (Ruthland - God rest his soul, Wagner and Frank Garcia and Matt Gasserode - I don't think the last 2 ever played for us). Just give the ball to Seneca and letnhim improvise
If you see that roster you have couple of players ended up playing in the NFL: Jeremy Lloyd, Hobbs and Carstens
If you see that roster you have couple of players ended up playing in the NFL: Jeremy Lloyd, Hobbs and Carstens
Poor offensive coordinating has been a key calling card for the Cyclones far too long IMO. Seneca was like finding a golden ticket in Ames, poor bast@rds didn't know how to handle it. Not trying to degrade anyone, because I loved that time in our history, but it's always a callous reminder going back to some of those years. That's one thing with Iowa State, the highs can be pretty high, but the lows, can be just as dramatic.
Correct, Billups was a freshman backup RB at the time, JJ Moses left the game with a concussion I believe. That was one entertaining bowl game, Pitt was a decent team that year and had a future 2nd round NFL pick in Antonio Bryant at WR and Paul Rhoads was their DC. While we had a pretty favorable schedule that year with no TX or OK on the schedule that still may be the best team we've had in FB. Lot of guys that played in the NFL on that team even if some of them only got a brief shot at it that is still more than we've had recently out of this program.
Part of the problem is when we have had good OC's the players we have aren't capable of running their offense. Look at Herman as a prime example. It's obvious now that he was a good hire even though our offense was nothing special while he was here. Once he got the athletes necessary to run his offense look at what he did at Ohio State and Houston. Can't remember what year it was but it was one of the years we had Blythe and Meyer I was given a sideline pass from a friend when we played Texas and it was night and day just how out-matched we were physically when we lined up. For as great of a WR Blythe was, when he lines up against TX he looked like a toothpick and our offensive and defensive lines looked outmatched size wise before they even broke the huddle. That is the challenge of recruiting and coaching at ISU is there is little room for error because if one of our 1st string guys goes down there usually is a huge gap in size and talent between 1st and 2nd string guys while the big programs usually have a guy on the 2 deep who could be starting for us.
