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I was aware of this movie but hadn’t been motivated to see it yet. Oh, man! If I had known more about it that would not have been the case. If you’re a music lover between 65-75 years old I warn you that emotions will soar in places. I don’t care if some artistic license was exercised, this is just a fantastic film. Will be viewed again.
 

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Still haven't watched, I must place it at/near top of viewing queue.

I've seen at least two music docs/biopics since this thread opened -- odd how stuff unfolds.

If you have Hulu package might want to watch soon as it’s been on there since March and I imagine they’ll move it somewhere else in the fall.
 
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He sounds better than Dylan.
Here's the thing though, he doesn't. Don't get me wrong, Chalamet's portrayal and performances in this movie are very good. And Bob Dylan does not have what most people would call an exceptional singing voice. What he DOES convey is an angst within the notes that give the lyrics an authenticity. That's why the Dylan within the time frame of this movie is one of the greatest singer/songwriters ever.
 
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Here's the thing though, he doesn't. Don't get me wrong, Chalamet's portrayal and performances in this movie are very good. And Bob Dylan does not have what most people would call an exceptional singing voice. What he DOES convey is an angst within the notes that give the lyrics an authenticity. That's why the Dylan within the time frame of this movie is one of the greatest singer/songwriters ever.

There was nothing rugged about the way Chalemet plays and that's the difference imo.

I also thought his portayal was more like the mid-60s hotel/back stage footage/tapes type of behaviors that I don't think Dylan was always like especially early in his career.

I though this film was good and all but my main take away was wondering if Johnny Cash played a bigger role in disrupting the Newport vibe with his 1964 performance.
 

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There was nothing rugged about the way Chalemet plays and that's the difference imo.

I also thought his portayal was more like the mid-60s hotel/back stage footage/tapes type of behaviors that I don't think Dylan was always like especially early in his career.
Not sure what you're saying here.
though this film was good and all but my main take away was wondering if Johnny Cash played a bigger role in disrupting the Newport vibe with his 1964 performance.
I wasn't there (in Newport) but Dylan going electric is muy famoso--and was so long before this film. Conversely, I've never heard of Cash causing a disruption at Newport.
 

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Not sure what you're saying here.

I wasn't there (in Newport) but Dylan going electric is muy famoso--and was so long before this film. Conversely, I've never heard of Cash causing a disruption at Newport.

Dylan wasn't really causing a disruption and didn't 'go electric' at Newport although I think it was the first time he'd performed that way in front of an audience.

He was playing what was on his recent albums. They tried to get him to play his 'old' stuff and somewhere in there he made it a point so they understood he was going to do what he wanted. He wasn't ever trying to lead some movement.

I'm not saying Cash was disruptive but he was more of the rugged outlaw type act that imo didn't seem to align with like the Pete Seegers of the world.
 
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Here's the thing though, he doesn't. Don't get me wrong, Chalamet's portrayal and performances in this movie are very good. And Bob Dylan does not have what most people would call an exceptional singing voice. What he DOES convey is an angst within the notes that give the lyrics an authenticity. That's why the Dylan within the time frame of this movie is one of the greatest singer/songwriters ever.

We should have an offseason OT thread of best song writers. Seems like shortest offseason ever since NBA Finals in late June was still Cyclone mania and then football starts almost mid august.

I was thinking he'd probably be my #1 and Lennon/McCartney would be my #2...but that's TWO GUYS haha.

Others I like are Aimee Mann, Elvis Costello, Prince and Burt Bacharach.
 
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Dylan wasn't really causing a disruption and didn't 'go electric' at Newport although I think it was the first time he'd performed that way in front of an audience.

He was playing what was on his recent albums. They tried to get him to play his 'old' stuff and somewhere in there he made it a point so they understood he was going to do what he wanted. He wasn't ever trying to lead some movement.

I'm not saying Cash was disruptive but he was more of the rugged outlaw type act that imo didn't seem to align with like the Pete Seegers of the world.

It's a very intriguing aspect of the times and the movie whether they played it up or not.

At the end of the day the most "plugged in" Dylan still sounds like folk music compared to other late 60s and early 70s rock.
 

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There was nothing rugged about the way Chalemet plays and that's the difference imo.

I also thought his portayal was more like the mid-60s hotel/back stage footage/tapes type of behaviors that I don't think Dylan was always like especially early in his career.

I though this film was good and all but my main take away was wondering if Johnny Cash played a bigger role in disrupting the Newport vibe with his 1964 performance.
Not sure what you're saying here.

I wasn't there (in Newport) but Dylan going electric is muy famoso--and was so long before this film. Conversely, I've never heard of Cash causing a disruption at Newport.
It's important to remember that history didn't necessarily go down like portrayed in the film. That's okay, and a matter of convenience in some instances.

 

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We should have an offseason OT thread of best song writers. Seems like shortest offseason ever since NBA Finals in late June was still Cyclone mania and then football starts almost mid august.

I was thinking he'd probably be my #1 and Lennon/McCartney would be my #2...but that's TWO GUYS haha.

Others I like are Aimee Mann, Elvis Costello, Prince and Burt Bacharach.
Great idea. However, no Neil Young, so not legit.