Root against the other teams at the top, right?

[SolarGarlic]

No way. Some of you people are living in a fantasy world. The media hates the big 12 and the committee, like it or not is influence greatly on the media perception whether it’s true or not.

I don't trust the committee, and I believe there is an anti BIg 12 bias in the media, but I feel like ISU fans are taking the cynicism too far. I get we live with our nut cups on, but if ISU is 12-0 and loses to a 12-0 BYU team in the championship game, ISU is a lock for the playoff and has a decent chance for a home game. It's tough to tell at this point.

While I think it's ok to wear a tinfoil hat, some of you guys need to turn down the power on your antenna.

 

[AllInForISU]

I don't trust the committee, and I believe there is an anti BIg 12 bias in the media, but I feel like ISU fans are taking the cynicism too far. I get we live with our nut cups on, but if ISU is 12-0 and loses to a 12-0 BYU team in the championship game, ISU is a lock for the playoff and has a decent chance for a home game. It's tough to tell at this point.

While I think it's ok to wear a tinfoil hat, some of you guys need to turn down the power on your antenna.

A lock?

All logic went out the window last year when FSU didn’t make the CFB playoff.

The committee at that point told us the games don’t matter. They still won 2 games after their starting QB went down (at Florida, which is an in state rivalry obviously and #14 Louisville) and the committee said, eh, who cares.

It is certainly not a lock.

 

[isucy86]

I don't trust the committee, and I believe there is an anti BIg 12 bias in the media, but I feel like ISU fans are taking the cynicism too far. I get we live with our nut cups on, but if ISU is 12-0 and loses to a 12-0 BYU team in the championship game, ISU is a lock for the playoff and has a decent chance for a home game. It's tough to tell at this point.

While I think it's ok to wear a tinfoil hat, some of you guys need to turn down the power on your antenna.

I agree there shouldn't be a discussion a second place 12-1 Big 12 team doesn't get a spot in the CFP over 3 loss Big10/SEC teams. And a 12-1 Big12 team should even get strong selection bias over 2 loss Big10/SEC teams.

What the Big10/SEC want CFB fans to eagerly buy-in is that they automatically are better, regardless of similar records.

They are asking the akin that since the NFC North has only 2 Super Bowl teams since 2000, that only 1 NFC North team deserves a NFC Playoff bid each year. That way there is a better chance the Cowboys, Giants, Eagles or Rams can get in the Playoffs with a worse record.

 

[ClubCy]

If we have to pick a team to take a loss I feel it's KSU over BYU. There's possibility if they win out and so does BYU then it'll be those 2 in the CCG.

This is the way.

 

[ClubCy]

A lock?

All logic went out the window last year when FSU didn’t make the CFB playoff.

The committee at that point told us the games don’t matter. They still won 2 games after their starting QB went down (at Florida, which is an in state rivalry obviously and #14 Louisville) and the committee said, eh, who cares.

It is certainly not a lock.

If Rocco has 2 working legs we would essentially be a lock at 12-1. Also 12 teams is a lot different than 4.

 

[ClonerJams]

A strong Big 12 is good for everyone. Just keep winning; hopefully ISU and BYU can both get in the playoff

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Let's say ISU goes 11-1 with the only loss to K-State. And K-State plays BYU in the championship game. You'd have to think that an 11-0 ISU would be ranked # 3 or 4 in the rankings going into the K- State game. There's almost no way ISU would drop all the way out. I think it would take a blow out loss combined with a bid stealer like Pitt or Indiana winning their CCG.

ISU dropped in the ranking today after a win, there is no way we get up to 3rd or 4th in the committee rankings. The AP needs nothing, no way the B12 gets two teams into the playoff unless everyone of the teams we are competing against for the spots have 3 losses.

 

[AllInForISU]

If Rocco has 2 working legs we would essentially be a lock at 12-1. Also 12 teams is a lot different than 4.

The point is still the same. The precedent has been set that the games don’t matter.

They are required to give 5 highest rated conference champions spots, then it’s whoever they think is the 7 best teams. The Big 12 has been talked down all year especially with the “darling” Utah dropping the ball this season.

I very much anticipate only 1 Big 12 team in the playoff. Bookmark this for later and call me out if I’m wrong. I’d love for some sort of logic and sanity to be restored to college football.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

I understand that but a 13-0 or 12-1 Big 12 champ is 100% going to be ahead of a 12-1 Boise State team.

Our champion has to be undefeated to get one of the first 4 byes.

 

[Cat4ISU]

I think best case scenario is 12-0 ISU vs 12-0 BYU in the title game. So it doesn't really matter what other teams do. Next best scenario would be KState losing a game so if we lose to them, they don't knock us out of the title game.

 

[CydeofFries]

I feel like the technical right answer is root against the teams we don't play, since we don't control our destiny vs them and then for the ones we do play to boost our strength of record.

But if you'd rather have the ones we play to lose so they start losing stuff to play for I don't think you're wrong for that either.

 

[HFCS]

I don't trust the committee, and I believe there is an anti BIg 12 bias in the media, but I feel like ISU fans are taking the cynicism too far. I get we live with our nut cups on, but if ISU is 12-0 and loses to a 12-0 BYU team in the championship game, ISU is a lock for the playoff and has a decent chance for a home game. It's tough to tell at this point.

While I think it's ok to wear a tinfoil hat, some of you guys need to turn down the power on your antenna.

The committee has done a good job most years, but the one year they very clearly screwed someone for no previously stated reason was to screw over a Big 12 team and boost a less deserving Big Ten team. Then to make matters worse they cemented their open Ohio State bias a few years later when they were fine with just half a season while other teams had 10-11 games.

 

[agrabes]

A lock?

All logic went out the window last year when FSU didn’t make the CFB playoff.

The committee at that point told us the games don’t matter. They still won 2 games after their starting QB went down (at Florida, which is an in state rivalry obviously and #14 Louisville) and the committee said, eh, who cares.

It is certainly not a lock.

I wouldn't go as far as to say 12-1 ISU/BYU is a lock, but I'd say it's at least 70-80% likely to get in depending on where everyone else is. You've got to remember, a lot of these SEC teams are going to hand each other losses.

I think you're really overstating this FSU case. They lost their quarterback late in the season and he couldn't return. It was obvious the team was significantly worse after losing him. Had FSU's quarterback stayed healthy, they would have been in. But he wasn't - and the nature of a 4 team playoff is that you had to be extremely picky about who gets in. It wouldn't be fair to put in a wounded duck team vs another contender who is at full strength and playing well. In a 12 team field, that FSU team would 100% have been in. When we get to the end of the year it will become a lot more obvious that there are only so many one loss teams out there and they'll get in.

 

[AllInForISU]

I wouldn't go as far as to say 12-1 ISU/BYU is a lock, but I'd say it's at least 70-80% likely to get in depending on where everyone else is. You've got to remember, a lot of these SEC teams are going to hand each other losses.

I think you're really overstating this FSU case. They lost their quarterback late in the season and he couldn't return. It was obvious the team was significantly worse after losing him. Had FSU's quarterback stayed healthy, they would have been in. But he wasn't - and the nature of a 4 team playoff is that you had to be extremely picky about who gets in. It wouldn't be fair to put in a wounded duck team vs another contender who is at full strength and playing well. In a 12 team field, that FSU team would 100% have been in. When we get to the end of the year it will become a lot more obvious that there are only so many one loss teams out there and they'll get in.

2014 JT Barrett goes down and Cardale Jones plays in 1 game before the CFP committee chose the final 4, plays against an above average Wisconsin team, wins handily, and bumps a Big 12 team who beat the 4, 15, 20, and 9 ranked teams and only lost by 3 to the 5th (finished 7th in the final AP) team. Shoot, they outscored their last 2 opponents 103-13.

For reference Ohio State beat the #8, #25, and #13 ranked team and got badly beaten by an unranked eventually 7 win VaTech team.

The reason they made it was clear, they wanted Ohio State in over TCU or Baylor and moved the goalposts accordingly.

The committee will put in who they think will get the most eyeballs. That will not be Iowa State if it comes down to an at large.

 

[QBEagles]

I get the cynicism that a 9-3 brand name will get the nod over a 10-2 B12 team, but do people actually think a 12-1 non-champ is getting left out of a 12-team playoff? We already ran this test case with TCU in 2022.

 

[bosco]

ISU dropped in the ranking today after a win, there is no way we get up to 3rd or 4th in the committee rankings. The AP needs nothing, no way the B12 gets two teams into the playoff unless everyone of the teams we are competing against for the spots have 3 losses.

SEC and BIG want to turn the rankings into recruiting rankings because they'll snuff out the other leagues from playing the "highly ranked" teams. They'll go to the who has the best resumes.

Well if you can't play the "highly preseason ranked teams" then there is no chance to build a resume.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

SEC and BIG want to turn the rankings into recruiting rankings because they'll snuff out the other leagues from playing the "highly ranked" teams. They'll go to the who has the best resumes.

Well if you can't play the "highly preseason ranked teams" then there is no chance to build a resume.

Who you played is a huge part of that resume, who does ISU have on their schedule that is close to playing UT, Alabama, LSU, Georgia or Penn. St., Ohio St. or Oregon? Utah and KSU is about it right now, the other teams on our schedule are not going to move the needle.

Just how many times do some people have to be bent over before they understand that the committee is going to put SEC teams in first and foremost then B10 teams. Hell FSU was undefeated last season and left out because putting them in, would have meant leaving out Alabama. In 2014 we had TCU that was ranked #3 in the committees ranking going into championship weekend, TCU destroyed ISU and then came up with the 13th data point, and put Ohio State in over both TCU and Baylor.

 

[agrabes]

2014 JT Barrett goes down and Cardale Jones plays in 1 game before the CFP committee chose the final 4, plays against an above average Wisconsin team, wins handily, and bumps a Big 12 team who beat the 4, 15, 20, and 9 ranked teams and only lost by 3 to the 5th (finished 7th in the final AP) team. Shoot, they outscored their last 2 opponents 103-13.

For reference Ohio State beat the #8, #25, and #13 ranked team and got badly beaten by an unranked eventually 7 win VaTech team.

The reason they made it was clear, they wanted Ohio State in over TCU or Baylor and moved the goalposts accordingly.

The committee will put in who they think will get the most eyeballs. That will not be Iowa State if it comes down to an at large.

That is true, but the context was different. I was as mad as anyone else about Ohio State being picked over TCU, but the overall context was not the same. In that case, OSU was clearly still playing well with their backup QB while FSU was not. And both TCU and OSU had only one loss, so the committee had the ability to put their fingers on the scale to put OSU in even if TCU was the better team on paper.

If we were talking 12-1 ISU vs 12-1 OSU then of course they pick OSU 10 times out of 10. But 12-1 OSU is not who we are up against - they are B1G #1 or #2. We are up against the 10-2 or 11-2 3rd place or 4th place B1G team.

 

[AllInForISU]

That is true, but the context was different. I was as mad as anyone else about Ohio State being picked over TCU, but the overall context was not the same. In that case, OSU was clearly still playing well with their backup QB while FSU was not. And both TCU and OSU had only one loss, so the committee had the ability to put their fingers on the scale to put OSU in even if TCU was the better team on paper.

If we were talking 12-1 ISU vs 12-1 OSU then of course they pick OSU 10 times out of 10. But 12-1 OSU is not who we are up against - they are B1G #1 or #2. We are up against the 10-2 or 11-2 3rd place or 4th place B1G team.

The context is the same. The committee will do what it can to get eyeballs on the playoff. No Big 12 team will get an at large unless some major upsets happen in the last stretch of the season, because the media/ESPN will push their agenda which is SEC/Big 10 over everything.

The Big 12 will probably get the same treatment by that committee come basketball season.

 

[cydnote]

What needs to happen but won't is there needs to be a criteria set in ink to decide all 12 spots, not just the top 4 or 5. Aside from winning your conference which is every teams goal at the start of the season anyway, the balance of the teams will always be the discretion of the committee with their own agendas being covered. If schedules for the regular season need to be adjusted to meet those terms they will be if the universities want to contend. The flaw with this thinking though would be with a money grab that schedules will end up being made up of "buy games" in the noncon so that the have-nots will still be left out. The sport of college football is broken, but we all already know that.