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Iowa High School BEDS count 24-25

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1SEIACLONE said:
Under the BEDS count system there is no need to run kids off or limit participation for the sport. Since they are counting the total number of kids in grades 9,10 and 11, whether you have 50 kids out or you have run off 20 and now only have 30 does not matter, your classification would stay the same.

Even with the system of looking at free and reduced lunches factored in, it would not matter. The only way running off kids could get you down a class would be if they were grouping by actual roster size, which I think they should do, but its never going to happen. Then it would be possible to run kids off to drop, but by doing so, the coach and the district is going to create a **** storm of bad press and the state assocation would get involved.
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I understand all that, but I think the difference is you anticipate some of these roster reduction acts being really overt and there being a big uproar by the community and association.

Maybe in some cases, but big schools cut now in sports. It's done at a coaches discretion, and the association has nothing to say about it. And coaches also do things that reduce roster sizes that are not so overt or explicit. In some cases these are needed and make sense. You need to have standards as a program. But I think it's also pretty easy to run a program where kids aren't cut, but have such a poor experience that they don't go out, even if a kid is doing the right things.

Not as applicable to football, but I know of baseball and basketball programs that don't "cut," but they have many kids that never see the field in game action at any level. No matter how bad the blowouts are, no matter the situation. My daughter played in a 5A varsity, JV and JV2 game all in the same night years ago, all in blowout wins, and while there were kids at all levels that never saw the court. As far as I know most of those kids that didn't play were in good standing, showed up to practice, they just sucked at basketball. I'm not saying that it's always wrong to do. Programs need standards, and some kids are going to get very few opportunities. But these similar methods can be used for the wrong reasons pretty easily if there's an incentive.
 
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1SEIACLONE said:
They were in the conference when my oldest son went through school, and then left, no since letting them back in now. Hell they took Cardinal in the conference might as well add Van Buren as opposed to PC.
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PC was in a conference with DC? Which conference was that? I remember the SCC of the 1970s, but didn’t it disband and then reformed?
 
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Kinch said:
PC was in a conference with DC? Which conference was that? I remember the SCC of the 1970s, but didn’t it disband and then reformed?
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I would guess 20 years ago or so, our oldest son graduated in 05 and they were a member of the conference then. PC was only in the conference for less than 5 years, between there and Osceola were the longest road trips.
 
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AuH2O said:
I understand all that, but I think the difference is you anticipate some of these roster reduction acts being really overt and there being a big uproar by the community and association.

Maybe in some cases, but big schools cut now in sports. It's done at a coaches discretion, and the association has nothing to say about it. And coaches also do things that reduce roster sizes that are not so overt or explicit. In some cases these are needed and make sense. You need to have standards as a program. But I think it's also pretty easy to run a program where kids aren't cut, but have such a poor experience that they don't go out, even if a kid is doing the right things.

Not as applicable to football, but I know of baseball and basketball programs that don't "cut," but they have many kids that never see the field in game action at any level. No matter how bad the blowouts are, no matter the situation. My daughter played in a 5A varsity, JV and JV2 game all in the same night years ago, all in blowout wins, and while there were kids at all levels that never saw the court. As far as I know most of those kids that didn't play were in good standing, showed up to practice, they just sucked at basketball. I'm not saying that it's always wrong to do. Programs need standards, and some kids are going to get very few opportunities. But these similar methods can be used for the wrong reasons pretty easily if there's an incentive.
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We are talking about two totally different things here, most large schools in middle school are running A, B and C squads, maybe even a D squad, as the kids progress through the system they figure the kids will figure it out, you are not going to play and will do something else.

I would guess at large schools doing things like making summer weight lifting, taking part in 7 on 7 and off season conditioning are just a given, and unless you are taking part in the those programs you are not going to play unless you are one heck of an player. I would not call that cutting players, few want to be on the team and not playing and doing all the extra work unless they are playing and the team is winning championships.
 
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4cy16 said:
That Gael team had 6-9 inch Jim Collins who played at Iowa and 6-5 Mark Widenfeld. They had a really good team.
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In 1980 my team played the Gaels in the state semis. Tom Peterson was the star and he went on to have a good career at Iowa State.
 
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It may not matter in Waterloo much longer if the community approves the merger of the two high schools.

www.iowapublicradio.org

Waterloo community to vote on high school merger plan after petition gathers enough support

Last November, a Waterloo Community Schools high school task force recommended all high schoolers be in one building. Eight months later, the school board approved a $165 million high merger plan. Now community members get the final say.
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There's a whole bunch of people here in Waterloo that think that will solve their athletic woes and it might. Going off the latest BEDS numbers combining them would make it the second biggest high school in the state right between Valley and Lincoln. The question still remains, will having that big ass school get you Valley results or Lincoln results? You're not solving the socio-economic issues that lead to low participation rates with one massive school. You might even drive it down a little. It's easy to go out for the football team and sit on the bench when the team is really good but when the team sucks and you're not playing why would you stick around for that? I see that a lot already with kids at West, hell my own kid was one of them. He was going to be QB2 this year as a senior and decided that was a lot of work for maybe 15 snaps on a marginal team. Add onto that he's likely going to be swimming in college and already had a few D3 offers so he figured it was a better use of his time to focus on that and see if he could shave enough time off in the pool to get a D2 offer.


Edit: I know that for most of this we're talking football and participation numbers are a big aspect of the success of a football team or the lack there-of. This combined Waterloo school might fix some of the problems the other sports have in the city. We've already been sharing several sports for years now. Cross Country, Swimming, and Soccer come to mind immediately and there might be a couple more in Golf and Tennis but I'm not sure. This combined school might be really beneficial for wrestling. Last year West had to forfeit at least 4 weights ever meet. How the hell does Dan Gables alma mater not have enough kids for a full roster for wrestling? I just don't understand it.
 
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