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Aclone

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no doubt but having been to Titletown a few times for work, im thinking CyTown will be similarly anchored by one large brewery with food & bev and then a few others smaller only spots, some being beverage only potentially

an ideal tennant for that anchor spot would be Big Grove. Spare me the "theyre hawks!"
they make amazing beer, great food and have experience running a large scale restaurant.
Sure, but I’d be okay with West O opening first . Let them bring in cash hand over fist, for a quick ROI before any competition settles in.

And as proof of concept for CyTown.

Besides which, how do you think that the “little guys” become “big guys”? One step at a time. ;)
 

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Walked through the lots yesterday evening and am honestly a big fan of all of the sidewalks they're putting in. Should help with traffic flow a lot, both foot and vehicle.

With the number of people roaming the lots or walking to and from the games I actually don't see what purpose the sidewalks will even serve TBH.
 

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Dear civil engineers and PE's...

What's the thought process on choosing concrete versus asphalt? Is one better for roads and the other better for parking lots??

Isn't asphalt cheaper and easier to fix? Maybe it's as simple as that?

That debate in Engineering circles is actually a hilarious one to me. Concrete supporters will twist themselves in knots showing how concrete is cheaper than asphalt and asphalt supporters will do the same on lifespan. There are a lot of Engineer's that get to the point of only using one or the other. My general thought is that they are very different tools and it is essentially like deciding if your favorite tool in your toolbox is a hammer or a screwdriver.

Based on my experience with both, properly installed concrete will outlast a similar section of asphalt. We have 2 or 3 concrete roads across the state that are 100+ years old and still in service. That's not typical by any means, but shows the possibilities with well constructed concrete. On the other hand, asphalt is generally cheaper (can vary a lot based on oil prices) and has a significantly more options for low to moderate cost rehabilitations than concrete does. My office typically plans for 40-50 years out of new concrete roads and 25 +/- out of new asphalt before any significant maintenance, and that is based mostly on our records of past performance in this area. The big difference there is that the maintenance on the asphalt will potentially be quite a bit cheaper than what you have to do on the concrete. In my opinion, they both have their place depending on site conditions, current and future budget projections, traffic, weather, etc.
 

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With the number of people roaming the lots or walking to and from the games I actually don't see what purpose the sidewalks will even serve TBH.
A solid point, but if the sidewalks are kept clear, then they will serve a purpose for moving about the area.
 

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no doubt but having been to Titletown a few times for work, im thinking CyTown will be similarly anchored by one large brewery with food & bev and then a few others smaller only spots, some being beverage only potentially

an ideal tennant for that anchor spot would be Big Grove. Spare me the "theyre hawks!"
they make amazing beer, great food and have experience running a large scale restaurant.

I've said it for a while now but the whole CyTown project just gives me "prepared to be disappointed" vibes. Calling my shot now but it's going to end up being a bunch of retail and commercial spaces with like one brewery (West O) and maybe another bar and grill coupled with McFarland as the anchor tenant which has already been established. I just don't get the feeling that it's going to end up being the entertainment area so many people think it's going to be. It's not going to be Title Town and it's not going to be Power and Light in those regards.
 

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I've said it for a while now but the whole CyTown project just gives me "prepared to be disappointed" vibes. Calling my shot now but it's going to end up being a bunch of retail and commercial spaces with like one brewery (West O) and maybe another bar and grill coupled with McFarland as the anchor tenant which has already been established. I just don't get the feeling that it's going to end up being the entertainment area so many people think it's going to be. It's not going to be Title Town and it's not going to be Power and Light in those regards.
For success, it has to be a location that people will want to go to every other day but game days.
 

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That debate in Engineering circles is actually a hilarious one to me. Concrete supporters will twist themselves in knots showing how concrete is cheaper than asphalt and asphalt supporters will do the same on lifespan. There are a lot of Engineer's that get to the point of only using one or the other. My general thought is that they are very different tools and it is essentially like deciding if your favorite tool in your toolbox is a hammer or a screwdriver.

Based on my experience with both, properly installed concrete will outlast a similar section of asphalt. We have 2 or 3 concrete roads across the state that are 100+ years old and still in service. That's not typical by any means, but shows the possibilities with well constructed concrete. On the other hand, asphalt is generally cheaper (can vary a lot based on oil prices) and has a significantly more options for low to moderate cost rehabilitations than concrete does. My office typically plans for 40-50 years out of new concrete roads and 25 +/- out of new asphalt before any significant maintenance, and that is based mostly on our records of past performance in this area. The big difference there is that the maintenance on the asphalt will potentially be quite a bit cheaper than what you have to do on the concrete. In my opinion, they both have their place depending on site conditions, current and future budget projections, traffic, weather, etc.
Iowa has an unusually large percentage of concrete roads compared to other states. There are certain entities that arguably cause that, but I won't get into it.

I agree with everything you said. Both options will be successful if done correctly. The biggest factor in how successfully the pavement performs is the subbase, not whether it is asphalt or concrete.
 

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With the number of people roaming the lots or walking to and from the games I actually don't see what purpose the sidewalks will even serve TBH.
There's a sidewalk that goes directly from my parking spot to the stadium, so I will not complain about having to weave through rows of cars.
 

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Calling my shot now but it's going to end up being a bunch of retail and commercial spaces with like one brewery (West O) and maybe another bar and grill coupled with McFarland as the anchor tenant which has already been established. I just don't get the feeling that it's going to end up being the entertainment area so many people think it's going to be. It's not going to be Title Town and it's not going to be Power and Light in those regards.

Because so many people haven't paid any attention.

TitleTown:
*Hotel
*Medical building
*Restaurant/brewery
*Venture capital firm
*Bank
*Office space
*Housing (townhomes/apartments)
*Playground/other recreational activities

CyTown (known or proposed):
*Hotel
*Medical building
*Restaurant/brewery
*Retail/office space
*Housing (suites/condos)
*Amphitheater/stage
*Convention space
 

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Because so many people haven't paid any attention.

TitleTown:
*Hotel
*Medical building
*Restaurant/brewery
*Venture capital firm
*Bank
*Office space
*Housing (townhomes/apartments)
*Playground/other recreational activities

CyTown (known or proposed):
*Hotel
*Medical building
*Restaurant/brewery
*Retail/office space
*Housing (suites/condos)
*Amphitheater/stage
*Convention space
  • Green Bay double the size of Ames
  • Packers have support of like 95%+ of the state
  • 10-12 football games vs 6-7

CyTown may have many of the same type of tenants at TitleTown but it'll be the Mountain Lightning version to their Mountain Dew
 
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  • Green Bay double the size of Ames
  • Packers have support of like 95%+ of the state
  • 10-12 football games vs 6-7

CyTown may have many of the same type of tenants at TitleTown but it'll be the Mountain Lightning version to their Mountain Dew

And?

My response was mostly for those people who have the misguided notion that it's going to be nothing but bars and restaurants.
 

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Because so many people haven't paid any attention.

TitleTown:
*Hotel
*Medical building
*Restaurant/brewery
*Venture capital firm
*Bank
*Office space
*Housing (townhomes/apartments)
*Playground/other recreational activities

CyTown (known or proposed):
*Hotel
*Medical building
*Restaurant/brewery
*Retail/office space
*Housing (suites/condos)
*Amphitheater/stage
*Convention space
I guess I've never actually looked into what Titletown looks like I thought it was more built out from what it was described as. Couple breweries and condos but a quarter of the footprint is still empty awaiting more development and it opened in 7 years ago. CyTown will be a long term development thing, if it doesn't look like we imagine in 6 years that's ok I think. Also the packers are definitely not the first ones to do this sort of thing, the Patriots have had an outdoor mall thing next to their stadium for years. Hopefully CyTown looks sorta like that in 20 years.
 
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  • Green Bay double the size of Ames
  • Packers have support of like 95%+ of the state
  • 10-12 football games vs 6-7

CyTown may have many of the same type of tenants at TitleTown but it'll be the Mountain Lightning version to their Mountain Dew
I think they anticipate some uptick from visitors on basketball game days men and womens, wrastlin etc. Nothing near football.
 

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  • Green Bay double the size of Ames
  • Packers have support of like 95%+ of the state
  • 10-12 football games vs 6-7

CyTown may have many of the same type of tenants at TitleTown but it'll be the Mountain Lightning version to their Mountain Dew
Cytown has basketball though. Major boost when there is nothing to do in Iowa but drink and watch otzball