NCAA Possibly Expanding Tournament Field

Clonehomer

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Agree, any expansion that would trigger another week of games won't be tolerated.

With 72 teams, Dayton can accommodate two more games on both Tuesday and Wednesday. With 76, another venue would need to be added for the Tuesday and Wednesday play in games as suggested in the article.

And obviously with NCAA tourney expansion, the high major conference tourneys become more meaningless and with conference expansion to 16 or 18 schools, they become even more of a clustereff.

The big change is that Dayton would be full days now instead of just evening games. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they add another site for these games, maybe in the West. To have Tuesday morning games just makes that turnaround that much harder.
 
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I hate it more than anything I've ever hated before in sports. Let's just scrap the regular season at this point. It's apparently meaningless.

Imagine the MLB, NBA, NHL or NFL saying we are going to play a full season of games, but at the end of the day you're all in the playoffs. You'd have absolutely no product for the entire regular season. Why would anyone care?
Am I missing the sarcasm here?

With the change, the NCAA gets 21% of the teams into the tournament. If they just went to 128, that would be 35%. This is how that compares to the pro leagues you listed:
NFL: 44%
NBA: 53%
MLB: 40%
NHL: 50%

I’d prefer that they increase the number of auto-bids (say the regular season and tournament champ, or second place if the same team wins both), but either way it is not like everyone is getting in.
 
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"you don't want to mess with something that's great, but if there are chances and opportunities to modify a little bit, to maybe provide more access, to amplify the experience, to look at it slightly differently, we owe it to ourselves to do that"

Hahahahahahahah Yeah, sure. It's not about the money or anything.
 

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I hate it more than anything I've ever hated before in sports. Let's just scrap the regular season at this point. It's apparently meaningless.

Imagine the MLB, NBA, NHL or NFL saying we are going to play a full season of games, but at the end of the day you're all in the playoffs. You'd have absolutely no product for the entire regular season. Why would anyone care?
The gambling industry cares most of all.
 
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Am I missing the sarcasm here?

With the change, the NCAA gets 21% of the teams into the tournament. If they just went to 128, that would be 35%. This is how that compares to the other pro leagues you listed:
NFL: 44%
NBA: 53%
MLB: 40%
NHL: 50%

I’d prefer that the increase the number of auto-bids (say the regular season and tournament champ, or second place if the same team wins both), but either way it is not like everyone is getting in.
C'mon, you know that's nonsense. 1 seeds are 154-2 all time against a 16....and that's the BEST team from the low major conference. It's not equal nor does anyone pretend it is.
 

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C'mon, you know that's nonsense. 1 seeds are 154-2 all time against a 16....and that's the BEST team from the low major conference. It's not equal nor does anyone pretend it is.
But it seems like a lot of the complaints are that they are letting too many teams in, the season is now meaningless, etc., but that’s just not true based on the numbers.

If you think too many bad teams are getting in and it isn’t competitive, you’re free to argue that they should remove the automatic qualifiers or just all the mid major teams altogether. But I doubt that position will be very popular.
 

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I hate it more than anything I've ever hated before in sports. Let's just scrap the regular season at this point. It's apparently meaningless.

Imagine the MLB, NBA, NHL or NFL saying we are going to play a full season of games, but at the end of the day you're all in the playoffs. You'd have absolutely no product for the entire regular season. Why would anyone care?
Most of those league are halfway there. Teams hovering around or below .500 are making the playoffs.

Edit: @WooBadger18 did the math for me
 

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I guess I don’t understand the outrage behind this. I’d prefer they left it as it is but it’s a big meh for me.
 

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Good grief. Now Hawkeye fans will able to brag about all their NCAA tournaments along with their January bowl games.
 

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Need to do the opposite, go back to 64 and get rid of the stupid play in games.
Agree! The Hawkeye Participation Banner Round (aka Play In Games) is unnecessary fluff.

While there could be more upsets with the more teams you allow in, you still largely get the best teams widdled down and that process can only go on for so long or it loses it's luster. Hell, I'd rather go to best of 3 series come Elite Eight than I would add to the front-end of the tourny.
 

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This ain't about hurt feelings. Its about milking that cash cow for every drop.
Adding two weekday games on both Tuesday and Wednesday at Dayton isn't going to add much to the NCAA tourney revenue pool. Unfortunately, this actually is more about hurt feelings.
 

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Watch out for the other change where P5 (or whatever we are calling the big schools now) teams get all the added spots.

Wasn't there a proposal a few months ago to get rid of the small conference champs auto-bids?
 

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Watch out for the other change where P5 (or whatever we are calling the big schools now) teams get all the added spots.

Wasn't there a proposal a few months ago to get rid of the small conference champs auto-bids?
I think it's widely assumed that the NIT's change this past season is a trial for the big dance following suit.
 

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They aren't going to stop until every P5 gets an autobid.

Just another way to fuel the financial gap.
 

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The big change is that Dayton would be full days now instead of just evening games. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they add another site for these games, maybe in the West. To have Tuesday morning games just makes that turnaround that much harder.
Not a fan. Coaches like because they think it's harder to fire a coach whose team make the Tournament.

If they are going to expand, why even have Dayton? Where the winners need to travel. Just add games at existing Region sites.
 

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Hoks are hoping to nab one of the additional play-in game sites.
 

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So when teams are almost guaranteed to get in…. when will we see teams “resting” their stars to keep them healthy for the post season like we see in the NBA?

That will make for a great regular season, won’t it!!
 
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Agree! The Hawkeye Participation Banner Round (aka Play In Games) is unnecessary fluff.

While there could be more upsets with the more teams you allow in, you still largely get the best teams widdled down and that process can only go on for so long or it loses it's luster. Hell, I'd rather go to best of 3 series come Elite Eight than I would add to the front-end of the tourny.

Best of 3 is a good idea.

I always thought 96 would be good. Top 32 teams get a first round bye. Other 64 teams play. Effectively you'd have the normal 15 and 16 seeds playing teams that would normally be 9's or 10's seeds, so more upsets there, which is fun. The tops seeds would then not be playing the lowest of the lows any more in their first game. They'd be playing bubble type teams in round 1, although they'd have more rest.

Personally I like more basketball, so I have no qualms about expanding it at all.

And I agree with most that you aren't really watering it down all that much. All the pro leagues have more teams that make the post season. College BB is different in that the little guys have a chance, which I think is pretty cool honestly.