People are moving to the Midwest

KnappShack

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Little bit of info in here - the rate of use is higher in Iowa and manure applied highest as well. Higest rate of binge drinking as well (honestly shocked it beats WI there) which is a big risk. So it could be a **** soup of a couple different things in Iowa specifically.


If you're out drinking Wisconsin....it's time to take a personal inventory.
 

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Glad you brought up the topic, OP.

Down here in the sticks, we have a surprising number of younger folks moving here from more-populated areas.

Some are coming for small-town life for their kids to grow up in. Others are coming because of the (more) affordable housing and cost of living. Lots of folks are moving here for the trees and landscape (building houses in the woods). Many are attracted by lower crime rates. At least one couple moved here because of good internet service (if you work online, you can live anywhere that has it).

The folks who move here don't care much about the availability of fast-food chains, ethnic restaurants (foodies can cook at home), oceans or mountains (plenty of water and hiking opportunities in Iowa), Broadway shows (shoot, you can watch those on Netflix). They like the changes of the seasons (I know, it's cuckoo, right?); they love that strangers wave to them in their cars (and not just with their middle fingers). It's a perceived notion of special, in terms of experience, instead of not being able to point out exactly where your condo is located in rows and rows of identical high rises.

On the other hand, lots-o-seniors are moving to the city, not for what a city offers, but to be near their kids and grand-kids. I guess the upside of that is lowering the median age of residents.

Urban flight is real. Rural areas need to learn to cash in on it.
Places I used go to get away in rural Winneshiek and Allamakee counties are not so much that anymore. Big houses out in the sticks not everywhere but enough to change the character of what I grew to know not that many years ago.
 
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don't intend to cave this thread, but the farmers that are still in existence are far more cautious of fertilizer and chemical use than previous generations. Partially due to increased prices, when I was growing up nitrogen was a cheap input and many followed the "more is better" attitude, but mainly most are just better as stewards of the land. There are many instances where our urban counterparts don't have the knowledge to properly apply chemicals or fertilizer to their lawns or are aware of over-application problems or even understand proper use practices. Chemical applicators, whether farmers or custom applicators, need to be certified to purchase or apply restricted use pesticides, but look at the array of (for example) Round-up based products that are available for the public to use at will. Neither group are immune to weather events (flooding, etc.) that take all of the best of practices out of the equation. but the use of filter strips along waterways and manure management plans are indeed being used now that were mostly ignored in the past. Our cheap food policies (government subsidies, federal crop insurance) have forced farmers to use every inch of farm ground available to remain competitive but are also counter intuitive. No easy answers.
 

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Glad you brought up the topic, OP.

Down here in the sticks, we have a surprising number of younger folks moving here from more-populated areas.

Some are coming for small-town life for their kids to grow up in. Others are coming because of the (more) affordable housing and cost of living. Lots of folks are moving here for the trees and landscape (building houses in the woods). Many are attracted by lower crime rates. At least one couple moved here because of good internet service (if you work online, you can live anywhere that has it).

The folks who move here don't care much about the availability of fast-food chains, ethnic restaurants (foodies can cook at home), oceans or mountains (plenty of water and hiking opportunities in Iowa), Broadway shows (shoot, you can watch those on Netflix). They like the changes of the seasons (I know, it's cuckoo, right?); they love that strangers wave to them in their cars (and not just with their middle fingers). It's a perceived notion of special, in terms of experience, instead of not being able to point out exactly where your condo is located in rows and rows of identical high rises.

On the other hand, lots-o-seniors are moving to the city, not for what a city offers, but to be near their kids and grand-kids. I guess the upside of that is lowering the median age of residents.

Urban flight is real. Rural areas need to learn to cash in on it.
It caught me off guard as I couldn't see turning a nice woodland into an exurbia. Hey, you people stay in the South, it is too cold, icy, and there are wolves! (Off my deck, I once heard a wolf howl in the early AM-I love 'em).
 
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It caught me off guard as I couldn't see turning a nice woodland into an exurbia. Hey, you people stay in the South, it is too cold, icy, and there are wolves! (Off my deck, I once heard a wolf howl in the early AM).

I saw a goddam wild turkey or buzzard by the swimming pool.

But I also had a Texas Bullsnake show up in my kitchen back in my Texas days. Not sure southerners will be a feared of wildlife fun.
 
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StClone

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Can't say I am there, but I am more optimistic than most.
Glossing over the cold and snow?
What snow? Last winter we had one storm and some private snowplow pushed a four-foot pile into the middle of a major public road. In the poor conditions, I didn't see it until too late. My car headlights took a hit. One storm but dang it was enough.
 

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Places I used go to get away in rural Winneshiek and Allamkee counties are not so much that anymore. Big houses out in the sticks not everywhere but enough to change the character of what I grew to know not that many years ago.

Decorah is a very nice town, and the natural scenery is GREAT. It's what I call "higher-end Mid-West". Having the college there helps.

That's a huge attraction.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, but one very successful family farming operation in my area (farms in excess of 8000? acres and markets 55,000 hogs/year) has devoted significant acres to organic farming. Although he is very conscious of the effect of the use chemicals in his farming practices, you can bet that he is capitalizing on the price people will pay for their food thinking this will solve the problems of traditional practices
 
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Yep, states like Wisconsin and Michigan get top ratings as places to escape from climate change.

We just bought over 500 acres in mid/upper lower peninsula as an investment. Land is still insanely cheap for now.
Curious………what’s an example of insanely cheap.
 

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don't intend to cave this thread, but the farmers that are still in existence are far more cautious of fertilizer and chemical use than previous generations. Partially due to increased prices, when I was growing up nitrogen was a cheap input and many followed the "more is better" attitude, but mainly most are just better as stewards of the land. There are many instances where our urban counterparts don't have the knowledge to properly apply chemicals or fertilizer to their lawns or are aware of over-application problems or even understand proper use practices. Chemical applicators, whether farmers or custom applicators, need to be certified to purchase or apply restricted use pesticides, but look at the array of (for example) Round-up based products that are available for the public to use at will. Neither group are immune to weather events (flooding, etc.) that take all of the best of practices out of the equation. but the use of filter strips along waterways and manure management plans are indeed being used now that were mostly ignored in the past. Our cheap food policies (government subsidies, federal crop insurance) have forced farmers to use every inch of farm ground available to remain competitive but are also counter intuitive. No easy answers.
Lots of 'goose poop" vibe in this post. Just wondering if these are the same farmers that hire out-of-state pilots to spray their neighbor's houses with neonics for pests that "they heard might be out there" or plant seed drenched in neonics even thought it's been proven not to be effective, but the seed company produces the chemical?
 

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Those who move north to avoid increasingly deadly heat and humidity.



Far more people die from cold than heat.
 

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Lots of 'goose poop" vibe in this post. Just wondering if these are the same farmers that hire out-of-state pilots to spray their neighbor's houses with neonics for pests that "they heard might be out there" or plant seed drenched in neonics even thought it's been proven not to be effective, but the seed company produces the chemical?
Could be, but (off the OP) here in WI some counties have organic operations:

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That's nice, even admirable, but in Iowa the organic guys are caught between a rock and a hard spot. They are simultaneously tree huggers AND extremely poor stewards of the land.
Continuing off OP. Sounds like they may be poorly educated in modern organic techniques.
 

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don't intend to cave this thread, but the farmers that are still in existence are far more cautious of fertilizer and chemical use than previous generations. Partially due to increased prices, when I was growing up nitrogen was a cheap input and many followed the "more is better" attitude, but mainly most are just better as stewards of the land. There are many instances where our urban counterparts don't have the knowledge to properly apply chemicals or fertilizer to their lawns or are aware of over-application problems or even understand proper use practices. Chemical applicators, whether farmers or custom applicators, need to be certified to purchase or apply restricted use pesticides, but look at the array of (for example) Round-up based products that are available for the public to use at will. Neither group are immune to weather events (flooding, etc.) that take all of the best of practices out of the equation. but the use of filter strips along waterways and manure management plans are indeed being used now that were mostly ignored in the past. Our cheap food policies (government subsidies, federal crop insurance) have forced farmers to use every inch of farm ground available to remain competitive but are also counter intuitive. No easy answers.
I’m trying a new product called Pivot-Bio on 250 acres of corn this year. It is placed on the seed and reacts with the microbes in the soil. The reaction then pulls N out of the atmosphere to feed the plant. Which is effectively free N which will replace N I would normally purchase in a pellet form and apply over the top of corn when it is about foot and a half tall. Environmentally safe with no chance of run off.
 

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Got it for a bit over 1,000 per acre. Went it on it with some friends but the land had been available for awhile so they were pretty open to negotiate.
I assume it is wooded rolling land. That kind of ground in SW Iowa sells to hunters for $4-6,000.
 

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I assume it is wooded rolling land. That kind of ground in SW Iowa sells to hunters for $4-6,000.
Mostly woods with a river running through a big chunk of it, if by rolling you mean hilly then nah it’s pretty flat. Couple ponds/lakes but nothing major. There is just a ton of land available in Michigan. If you go to the UP it’s even cheaper, but it’s in the UP.
 

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