Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Gonzo]

I don’t think we will see a 16 team playoff, it will completely devalue the regular season and let’s face it, even in a 12 team playoff only a handful of those teams even have a shot.

Agree. I think an 8-team playoff would've been perfect. I think even 12 is too many.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

Agree. I think an 8-team playoff would've been perfect. I think even 12 is too many.

more fun games that actually matter???

 

[LonelyCyKC]

Lets see: If we take all of the schools that want to compete and divide them into groups of 14, then have them play each other to determine the best in each group. Then take the winners from each group and have them play each other in a tournament format to see which one is the best.......... Oh wait, that is what we would have now if the winners of all of the P4 and G5 conferences were the only ones to play in the tournament. I guess that sounds too logical.

 

[nrg4isu]

Lets see: If we take all of the schools that want to compete and divide them into groups of 14, then have them play each other to determine the best in each group. Then take the winners from each group and have them play each other in a tournament format to see which one is the best.......... Oh wait, that is what we would have now if the winners of all of the P4 and G5 conferences were the only ones to play in the tournament. I guess that sounds too logical.

That's not enough of pushing the little guy down.

 

[Clonehomer]

Couple things, adding 1vs4 is a big difference, also the ACC didn’t lose Clemson and FSU like the Big12 lost OUT with the additions.

Yet

 

[FriendlySpartan]

IF Campbell stays at ISU and improves his offensive game plan, I can see ISU becoming a consistent power. Campbell is 43, and we have the 2nd largest stadium in the Big 12. I think we also have the best fans in the Big 12. We are at a bit of a disadvantage in terms of recruiting, but Campbell has already proven he can overcome that.

Ok so I need to ask this because I keep seeing this recruiting comment come up and I keep getting dumbed on the other thread when I mention it (no one says why) but how has Campbell overcome the recruiting? The best class he has ever brought in is 48 and the other classes have all been in the 50’s or 60’s. I personally think you guys should be getting higher recruits with the recent NFL success and the couple strong years CMC put together so when people say the recurring is great I’m just not seeing it.

Is it like an all time recruiting thing from the really bad days that this is a major improvement? I’m legit trying to understand and I apologize if I come off in another way but no one has ever explained this excitement over the recruiting that schools like northwestern and Indiana are regularly right in line with and sometimes better.

 

[CyCrazy]

Ok so I need to ask this because I keep seeing this recruiting comment come up and I keep getting dumbed on the other thread when I mention it (no one says why) but how has Campbell overcome the recruiting? The best class he has ever brought in is 48 and the other classes have all been in the 50’s or 60’s. I personally think you guys should be getting higher recruits with the recent NFL success and the couple strong years CMC put together so when people say the recurring is great I’m just not seeing it.

Is it like an all time recruiting thing from the really bad days that this is a major improvement? I’m legit trying to understand and I apologize if I come off in another way but no one has ever explained this excitement over the recruiting that schools like northwestern and Indiana are regularly right in line with and sometimes better.

Off topic. You

 

[psychlones]

and I apologize if I come off in another way

Color me somewhat unconvinced...

 

[Cloneon]

Ok so I need to ask this because I keep seeing this recruiting comment come up and I keep getting dumbed on the other thread when I mention it (no one says why) but how has Campbell overcome the recruiting? The best class he has ever brought in is 48 and the other classes have all been in the 50’s or 60’s. I personally think you guys should be getting higher recruits with the recent NFL success and the couple strong years CMC put together so when people say the recurring is great I’m just not seeing it.

Is it like an all time recruiting thing from the really bad days that this is a major improvement? I’m legit trying to understand and I apologize if I come off in another way but no one has ever explained this excitement over the recruiting that schools like northwestern and Indiana are regularly right in line with and sometimes better.

The answer to me is obvious. Why waste recruiting resources fighting battles where the odds (ie nil, blues, metro, etc) are against you when you know you can find talent you can develope?

 

[GoldCy]

Watching games on TV it seems like every play the commentators mention the past schools the playmaker has been to.
How can fans keep loyalty when players don't and you can't keep track of who is on the team.
Seems like every player is in their 6th year.
. NCAA really demonstrate how worthless they are on a continuing basis.
Keep in mind the school presidents and ADs are thee NCAA. They are the ones to blame.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Watching games on TV it seems like every play the commentators mention the past schools the playmaker has been to.
How can fans keep loyalty when players don't and you can't keep track of who is on the team.
Seems like every player is in their 6th year.
. NCAA really demonstrate how worthless they are on a continuing basis.
Keep in mind the school presidents and ADs are thee NCAA. They are the ones to blame.

If the national people were intellectually honest they'd refer to it as signing a free agent deal rather than the portal because that's exactly what this is.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

Ok so I need to ask this because I keep seeing this recruiting comment come up and I keep getting dumbed on the other thread when I mention it (no one says why) but how has Campbell overcome the recruiting? The best class he has ever brought in is 48 and the other classes have all been in the 50’s or 60’s. I personally think you guys should be getting higher recruits with the recent NFL success and the couple strong years CMC put together so when people say the recurring is great I’m just not seeing it.

Is it like an all time recruiting thing from the really bad days that this is a major improvement? I’m legit trying to understand and I apologize if I come off in another way but no one has ever explained this excitement over the recruiting that schools like northwestern and Indiana are regularly right in line with and sometimes better.

I think it's in the culture to be cynical of recruiting rankings because it's had so little correlation with success at Iowa State. McCarney, Rhoads, and Campbell all won with lower ranked recruits and have struggled when their recruiting rankings start to climb. Chizik has been the highest rated recruiter but that was a flop. Bottom line, Iowa State has had a lot more success with the Brock Purdys than the Hunter Dekkers of the world. So Cyclone fans are pretty jaded when it comes to recruiting rankings.

 

[clonedude]

Would adding Oregon St and WSU to the Big 12 just lower the per team payout?

Because if not, I'd really consider adding them at this point. Both have been pretty good teams recently and are good college football towns IMO.

 

[GoldCy]

I keep on remembering them rejecting any association when b12 approached them.

 

[Cloneon]

Would adding Oregon St and WSU to the Big 12 just lower the per team payout?

Because if not, I'd really consider adding them at this point. Both have been pretty good teams recently and are good college football towns IMO.

As one poster pointed out, due to the fiscal liabilities of the P12 conference, those issues would need to first be resolved between their members (both present and gone). That said, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see some negotiation happening between the B1G, B12 and P12 to make this happen TO the B12. AND, I wouldn't be at all surprised if CFP format isn't a bargaining chip too.

 

[BCClone]

Ok so I need to ask this because I keep seeing this recruiting comment come up and I keep getting dumbed on the other thread when I mention it (no one says why) but how has Campbell overcome the recruiting? The best class he has ever brought in is 48 and the other classes have all been in the 50’s or 60’s. I personally think you guys should be getting higher recruits with the recent NFL success and the couple strong years CMC put together so when people say the recurring is great I’m just not seeing it.

Is it like an all time recruiting thing from the really bad days that this is a major improvement? I’m legit trying to understand and I apologize if I come off in another way but no one has ever explained this excitement over the recruiting that schools like northwestern and Indiana are regularly right in line with and sometimes better.

One issue is douchers like Kirk H (like many of the SEC and big 10 ball washers) keep saying Campbell was out the door after the second good season and have been saying that since. It's harder to recruit when that crap is being spewed left and right. Also, once a player gets a texas, Alabama, OSU and such offer, their stock rises on that alone. Many times we are getting players with other P5 offers, just not the hard core blue bloods that give the instant rise on rankings.

 

[isucy86]

Ok so I need to ask this because I keep seeing this recruiting comment come up and I keep getting dumbed on the other thread when I mention it (no one says why) but how has Campbell overcome the recruiting? The best class he has ever brought in is 48 and the other classes have all been in the 50’s or 60’s. I personally think you guys should be getting higher recruits with the recent NFL success and the couple strong years CMC put together so when people say the recurring is great I’m just not seeing it.

Is it like an all time recruiting thing from the really bad days that this is a major improvement? I’m legit trying to understand and I apologize if I come off in another way but no one has ever explained this excitement over the recruiting that schools like northwestern and Indiana are regularly right in line with and sometimes better.

Iowa State would have to have decades of success to attract a high number (6+) of 4 star recruits in a recruiting class.

The state of Iowa is lucky if there are even 10 power conference recruits a year. And most of those kids are 3 star. Those figures pale states like TX, FL and even OH, PA and MI.

IMO schools in states that produce a small number of power conference football players will always need to be developmental programs, turning 3 star recruits into All-Conference players.

I don't put a lot of credence in school recruit rankings because they make a school ranked #25 appear significantly better than a school ranked #50.

Last year based on 247:

• The Huskers were team #25 with 4 four-star, 24 three-star recruits and an average score of 87.26.
• UCF was ranked #50 with 3 four-star, 12 three-star recruits and an average score of 87.79.
• Iowa State was ranked #44 with 1 four-star, 21 three-star recruits and an average score of 86.63

Is Nebraska's class(87.26) significantly better than Iowa State (86.63) or UCF (87.79) or Iowa (2/20 & 86.79)? What matters is what the coaches do once the kids get on campus.

Recruit rankings do matter, but in ranges:

• Tier 1 - Schools ranked 1-10
• Tier 2 - Schools 11-25
• Tier 3 - Schools 26- 75

So that's why I don't get worried if ISU is #30 or #60. A good staff can turn a recruiting class ranked #50 to a team ranked #15 on the field.

 

[GoldCy]

There are other reasons Iowa and similar states have developmental athletes. Places like TX have year round programs and it is know parents hold kids back. IA kids don't have opportunities to develop on par. It's not limited to FB. Look at IA baseball and softball schedules. No club opportunities. In AZ the HS soccer programs aren't recruited. It's all clubs. Similar for sports in CA. Even AR has spring training for FB.

 

[Nolaeer]

Iowa State would have to have decades of success to attract a high number (6+) of 4 star recruits in a recruiting class.

The state of Iowa is lucky if there are even 10 power conference recruits a year. And most of those kids are 3 star. Those figures pale states like TX, FL and even OH, PA and MI.

IMO schools in states that produce a small number of power conference football players will always need to be developmental programs, turning 3 star recruits into All-Conference players.

I don't put a lot of credence in school recruit rankings because they make a school ranked #25 appear significantly better than a school ranked #50.

Last year based on 247:

• The Huskers were team #25 with 4 four-star, 24 three-star recruits and an average score of 87.26.
• UCF was ranked #50 with 3 four-star, 12 three-star recruits and an average score of 87.79.
• Iowa State was ranked #44 with 1 four-star, 21 three-star recruits and an average score of 86.63

Is Nebraska's class(87.26) significantly better than Iowa State (86.63) or UCF (87.79) or Iowa (2/20 & 86.79)? What matters is what the coaches do once the kids get on campus.

Recruit rankings do matter, but in ranges:

• Tier 1 - Schools ranked 1-10
• Tier 2 - Schools 11-25
• Tier 3 - Schools 26- 75

So that's why I don't get worried if ISU is #30 or #60. A good staff can turn a recruiting class ranked #50 to a team ranked #15 on the field.

UCF will kill it now that they have a seat at the table. UCF has a good coach too. They'll contend for big 12 titles within 3 years.

UCFSports - UCF's 2024 recruiting class moves into top 25

With a pair of high-profile commitments Tuesday, UCF's recruiting class is now ranked inside the top 25.

ucf.rivals.com

 

[isucy86]

UCF will kill it now that they have a seat at the table. UCF has a good coach too. They'll contend for big 12 titles within 3 years.

UCFSports - UCF's 2024 recruiting class moves into top 25

With a pair of high-profile commitments Tuesday, UCF's recruiting class is now ranked inside the top 25.

ucf.rivals.com

I tend to agree that UCF has a tremendous upside.

Just not sure Gus can get UCF to an elite level. He hit a ceiling at Auburn- was it SEC pecking order or Gus's limitations?