Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

CysRage

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The B12 got screwed over plain and simple in 2014, both Baylor and TCU earned the right to get into the playoff and both were jumped by Ohio State, which had lose that year to a halfass VT team at home in the first game of the year, while the only lose TCU had was to Baylor by 3.
If they truly wanted the 4 best teams, they would bring back the BCS computers. Otherwise, the committee is their way of moving the goal posts to get blue bloods in the playoffs.
 

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No one knows how the 12-team playoff is going to play out, but I just cannot see the SEC and Big easy getting 9 or 10 teams a year into the playoff. 7 to 8 with sometimes 9 between them, but not 9 to 10 every year. I would guess that anywhere from 3 to 4 spots will be there for the taking from the ACC, B12 and one from either the AAC or MWC most years.
No. Maybe 3-4 from SEC and B1G a year at most.
 

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The B12 got screwed over plain and simple in 2014, both Baylor and TCU earned the right to get into the playoff and both were jumped by Ohio State, which had lose that year to a halfass VT team at home in the first game of the year, while the only lose TCU had was to Baylor by 3.
TCU had an awesome team. They steamrolled Ole Miss in their bowl game too powered by the line play on both sides of the ball.

Really weird that TCU regressed after that with a good coach. They had something going, like Utah, but couldn't keep it up. Now, Utah is known "as a brand" where TCU was better than Utah before both got the jump to the Power conference.
 
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TCU had an awesome team. They steamrolled Ole Miss in their bowl game too powered by the line play on both sides of the ball.

Really weird that TCU regressed after that with a good coach. They had something going, like Utah, but couldn't keep it up. Now, Utah is known "as a brand" where TCU was better than Utah before both got the jump to the Power conference.
Utah still isn’t a brand yet, as is obvious by their recruiting
 

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The Big 12 took a perception hit adding G5 teams. The ACC adds SMU, who has not had nearly the success of our newcomers, but nobody docks the ACC for adding a G5 team. SMU gets a pass I guess as they are dumping money for NIL and bought their way in thanks to their boosters. Fred Smith could offer to do the same for Memphis. Not all agree I know but I think Memphis would be a good add.
 

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The Big 12 took a perception hit adding G5 teams. The ACC adds SMU, who has not had nearly the success of our newcomers, but nobody docks the ACC for adding a G5 team. SMU gets a pass I guess as they are dumping money for NIL and bought their way in thanks to their boosters. Fred Smith could offer to do the same for Memphis. Not all agree I know but I think Memphis would be a good add.
ACC still has 2.5 blue blood brands in Clemson, FSU, and ND. We have none. That gives them some cover for now. But the rest of their conference is a clear step below us, so they will be in worse shape when their power programs leave.
 

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The Big 12 took a perception hit adding G5 teams. The ACC adds SMU, who has not had nearly the success of our newcomers, but nobody docks the ACC for adding a G5 team. SMU gets a pass I guess as they are dumping money for NIL and bought their way in thanks to their boosters. Fred Smith could offer to do the same for Memphis. Not all agree I know but I think Memphis would be a good add.
Couple things, adding 1vs4 is a big difference, also the ACC didn’t lose Clemson and FSU like the Big12 lost OUT with the additions.
 
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ACC still has 2.5 blue blood brands in Clemson, FSU, and ND. We have none. That gives them some cover for now. But the rest of their conference is a clear step below us, so they will be in worse shape when their power programs leave.
Clear step below is a stretch with how the new big12 is performing this year…but I do tend to agree that the rest of the Big12 top to bottom is better outside the top ACC teams.
 

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ACC still has 2.5 blue blood brands in Clemson, FSU, and ND. We have none. That gives them some cover for now. But the rest of their conference is a clear step below us, so they will be in worse shape when their power programs leave.
Yeah but ND ain't ACC. I don't think the ACC gets any of ND's media revenue or bowl payout $$$. And I think Clemson's modern day blue blood status is waning.
 
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3 or 4 total combined from those two conferences? Looking at the current rankings there are 9 of the top 12 from those conferences.
This early rankings are meaningless since we haven't really gotten into conference games.

With a 12 team playoff I see:
  • 4 Big10
  • 4 SEC
  • 3 Big12/ACC
  • 1 AAC/MWC
But by 2030ish I fully expect there will be a 16 team playoff.
 

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This early rankings are meaningless since we haven't really gotten into conference games.

With a 12 team playoff I see:
  • 4 Big10
  • 4 SEC
  • 3 Big12/ACC
  • 1 AAC/MWC
But by 2030ish I fully expect there will be a 16 team playoff.
I don’t think we will see a 16 team playoff, it will completely devalue the regular season and let’s face it, even in a 12 team playoff only a handful of those teams even have a shot.
 

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I don’t think we will see a 16 team playoff, it will completely devalue the regular season and let’s face it, even in a 12 team playoff only a handful of those teams even have a shot.
I agree with devaluing the regular season. But Presidents have shown a propensity to follow the money.

I could argue with a 12 team playoff, the need for CCG's is outdated. But there is money to be made, so they will continue.
 
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I agree with devaluing the regular season. But Presidents have shown a propensity to follow the money.

I could argue with a 12 team playoff, the need for CCG's is outdated. But there is money to be made, so they will continue.
I think the CCG are still very relevant because they determine the conference champ which matters a lot. Especially with conferences moving away from divisions
 
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This early rankings are meaningless since we haven't really gotten into conference games.

With a 12 team playoff I see:
  • 4 Big10
  • 4 SEC
  • 3 Big12/ACC
  • 1 AAC/MWC
But by 2030ish I fully expect there will be a 16 team playoff.

I think you are close here, I think it will be something like that, if the conference makeup stays where it is currently. If there is a big shakeup in the makeup then its all up in the air.

My feeling is:
  • 3-4 Big10
  • 3-4 SEC
  • 3-4 Big12/ACC
  • 1 G5
I think on an average year those conferences would get 3 in, on a good year for them, 4.
I don’t think we will see a 16 team playoff, it will completely devalue the regular season and let’s face it, even in a 12 team playoff only a handful of those teams even have a shot.

I dont know. I think it "COULD" go to 16, but I dont see it going above that, not sure it happens by 2030 though. You cant really say that the regular seasons wont matter. I mean does the seasons not matter in other sports with tourneys? Basketball? Baseball? etc. How about the FCS their season still matters, High school here in Iowa, I would say the season matters even though 2+ get to the playoffs every year, out of each district.

To me 8 or 16 have always been the sweet spot. 12 feels awkward and gives unfair advantage to some. Although with 4 Power conferences, if they give the byes to the 4 P4 champions it at least makes a little sense. But with more realignment and more changes that gets more difficult.

I do agree even with 16 there is always going to be favorites and probable winners, but they still have to play the games, and we always see underdogs winning games every year.

You can go through years and see the underdog wins at times.
 
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Clear step below is a stretch with how the new big12 is performing this year…but I do tend to agree that the rest of the Big12 top to bottom is better outside the top ACC teams.
This year yes, but it's one year and it's a year that isn't over yet. The ACC after Clemson, FSU and recently UNC takes a nosedive mostly. Duke is having a nice season, and Wake had a couple of years with Hartman. Miami still isn't anything and Virginia Tech is not even a shell of what they were.

I would take Utah and Kansas State over the long haul over pretty much any ACC team if Clemson and FSU bolt. But we will see how it all shakes out. TCU to me still has a great chance of staying power to be a consistent contender to win the new Big 12.
 

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I think the CCG are still very relevant because they determine the conference champ which matters a lot. Especially with conferences moving away from divisions
It gets tougher with 16+ team conferences than 20 years ago with 10-12 team conferences. But to select 2 teams for CCG the conferences will need a protocol for selecting 2 teams- rankings, head-to-head, etc. So same methodology could determine Conference Champ.

I can see your point for conferences that might be 1 bid conferences- the CCG winner gets the bid.

But could we see scenarios where a CCG loser gets knocked out of the 12 team playoff?

Also could 3rd/4th place teams in conference benefit vs 2nd place team from not playing in CCG? Avoid a loss and get a bye week.

I feel like the 12 playoff teams should be selected before CCG week. And then seeded after the games.
 
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I would take Utah and Kansas State over the long haul over pretty much any ACC team if Clemson and FSU bolt. But we will see how it all shakes out. TCU to me still has a great chance of staying power to be a consistent contender to win the new Big 12.
IF Campbell stays at ISU and improves his offensive game plan, I can see ISU becoming a consistent power. Campbell is 43, and we have the 2nd largest stadium in the Big 12. I think we also have the best fans in the Big 12. We are at a bit of a disadvantage in terms of recruiting, but Campbell has already proven he can overcome that.