Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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So ND is only a partial ACC member, is not a member of the ACC in football, but they get a full vote on any expansion matters which are driven 100% by football and were pushing hard on the PAC adds even though ND itself has no intention of becoming a member in football. Lol. Wow.

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I was watching Finebaum last week and there was talk about future SEC expansion and the overriding opinion from PF and callers was that NC State would be a much better fit with the SEC than UNC. The SEC currently has no presence in North Carolina. Maybe NC State sees itself as having a better than good chance at an SEC invite once the ACC poaching begins.
Maybe. I could see a lot of other schools slotting in ahead of them.
 
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It's just crazy to me how far the ACC bent over for as

It's just crazy to me how far the ACC bent over for ND.
As an alum, there are things about the deal I don't like but our football arrangement has helped their member schools immensely. Many of them make the ND game only available if their fans buy season tickets, the TV ratings against us will be much higher than most other scheduling options and we have brought strong teams in men's and women's basketball, soccer, lacrosse, and some others. They knew we wouldn't be full members for football and without voting rights, ND would never have joined in all other sports. With the arrangement, ND cannot bolt for the Big Ten or SEC without severe monetary penalties.
 
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I am indifferent to Texas. This year I want them to lose everything, of course, but don’t care once they’re in the SEC.
Oklahoma is the school who I’d like to see seriously humbled. I hope they get the full Nebraska experience from here on out.
The Texas program as an athletic institution could lose at every endeavor indefinitely, a giant meteor could Crater their facilities and the remains salted so nothing grows there for the next 100 years and it would still not be enough.
 
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It's more surprising that any of them voted yes without a significant payout increase or without ND becoming a full member. Adding Cal and Stanford to the ACC without a significant payout increase for the existing ACC schools would be the ultimate in realignment absurdity.
Idk… seems they just watched the PAC dissolve because they failed to expand when the could.

I could see the same thing happening to the ACC, getting raided and not enough teams left to be viable, while also not having a pool of expansion targets to backfill with.

Stability is worth something, even if it cost a little money.
 

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Heck, if the Pac-12 had taken the TV deal, we're probably Washington State and Oregon State right now, We got pretty lucky.
2010 we were on the precipice. If Texas doesn’t get offered the LHN we would have been done.

I think we would still be in a Big 12 regardless if the P12 took that ESPN deal or not, we would just have a worse TV contract (maybe that $20M Apple deal, not sure what Yormark could whip up). Reason being is I don’t believe the idiot P12 commissioner and presidents would have expanded with any more than 1 B12 team. I think they would have taken SDSU and then maybe Kansas or TCU. We’d still have the rest of the Hateful 8 and the added 4, and, honestly would have still been a more competitive league.
 
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NC state is surprising. Feels like their big brother told them how to vote ($$$).
Also worth noting that the expansion vote failed by 1 vote. Definitely UNC telling NC State how to vote for their own interests.

Remember the last two times a major P5 voted not to expansion:
-Big 12 - Texas and OU voted against. Later left the conference
-Pac 12 - UCLA and USC voted against. Later left the conference.
-ACC - UNC, FSU, Clemson voted against. Outcome to be determined.

I see a trend.
 

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As an alum, there are things about the deal I don't like but our football arrangement has helped their member schools immensely. Many of them make the ND game only available if their fans buy season tickets, the TV ratings against us will be much higher than most other scheduling options and we have brought strong teams in men's and women's basketball, soccer, lacrosse, and some others. They knew we wouldn't be full members for football and without voting rights, ND would never have joined in all other sports. With the arrangement, ND cannot bolt for the Big Ten or SEC without severe monetary penalties.

I would bet ND could come up with the money fairly quickly if they wanted to leave.
 

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NC state is surprising. Feels like their big brother told them how to vote ($$$).
The SMU part of the article was interesting. It seems like a stretch for SMU, but it would allow the ACC schools to establish a fan and recruiting base in Texas, and competing conferences have much larger geographical footprints than the ACC.
 

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As an alum, there are things about the deal I don't like but our football arrangement has helped their member schools immensely. Many of them make the ND game only available if their fans buy season tickets, the TV ratings against us will be much higher than most other scheduling options and we have brought strong teams in men's and women's basketball, soccer, lacrosse, and some others. They knew we wouldn't be full members for football and without voting rights, ND would never have joined in all other sports. With the arrangement, ND cannot bolt for the Big Ten or SEC without severe monetary penalties.
why is south bend such a **** hole? does the university do anything in the city?
 

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why is south bend such a **** hole? does the university do anything in the city?
South Bend was a thriving metropolis before the 60s. Once Studebaker went under and other industries left, it started its downward trend. After living there, my belief is that the school is the only thing keeping that area alive and not turning into another Gary, Indiana.
 

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Idk… seems they just watched the PAC dissolve because they failed to expand when the could.

I could see the same thing happening to the ACC, getting raided and not enough teams left to be viable, while also not having a pool of expansion targets to backfill with.

Stability is worth something, even if it cost a little money.
With 12 years left on the ACC GOR and ESPN contract, the need for stability is not a rational reason to expand without a significant payout increase for existing ACC schools.
 

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Also worth noting that the expansion vote failed by 1 vote. Definitely UNC telling NC State how to vote for their own interests.

Remember the last two times a major P5 voted not to expansion:
-Big 12 - Texas and OU voted against. Later left the conference
-Pac 12 - UCLA and USC voted against. Later left the conference.
-ACC - UNC, FSU, Clemson voted against. Outcome to be determined.

I see a trend.
I don't.

B12 had 3 years left on its GOR with exit fees when OUT announced for the SEC. OUT bought out of the B12 GOR with one year remaining on it.

PAC didn't have a GOR or exit fees.

ACC has 12 years left on its GOR, a $120M exit fee and +$500M in GOR buyout fees.