What is the status of Osunniyi?

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Back off. Go back and read my post more carefully. I said he's still adjusting to TJ's system and it may be causing him frustration.

Shoon transferred to Iowa State because he wanted to have a higher profile, but as of now his average points, rebounds, and blocks have actually gone down, not up. I'm guessing his average minutes have gone down as well. It's only natural to think he may be a little frustrated.

So in other words nothing but pure blind *ss speculation.
 
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Back off. Go back and read my post more carefully. I said he's still adjusting to TJ's system and it may be causing him frustration.

Shoon transferred to Iowa State because he wanted to have a higher profile, but as of now his average points, rebounds, and blocks have actually gone down, not up. I'm guessing his average minutes have gone down as well. It's only natural to think he may be a little frustrated.

Why would he be frustrated with TJ, The Staff or ISU?

At this level, playing time is normally not handed to a player by coaches. What is never handed to a player is a bigger role/higher profile. That has to be earned on the court because your teammates are going to help grow your role, if you earn it.

Up to this point, Osunniyi has been solid. He's a good defender and above average rim protector. On offense his game is raw, just like it was at St. Bonaventure. It was probably unreasonable to expect Osun to become a big offensive threat bumping up a level to the Big12 AND in less than 10 months. IMO his biggest issue on offense is lack of physical strength.

I would think when Osunniyi is watching tape, he see's that Robert Jones gives ISU a physical post player with a decent low post game. Sure he might be disappointed that he hasn't been able to garner a bigger role, but I would think our success on the court helps dampen that feeling.
 
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The logic that the players should come out of the game to prevent injury doesn’t make sense in a non-contact sport unless you have multiple games in a short period (conference tourney). This was essentially given Shoon some practice time. Should we cancel all the practice sessions going forward to make sure no one gets hurt?
 

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Why would he be frustrated with TJ, The Staff or ISU?

At this level, playing time is normally not handed to a player by coaches. What is never handed to a player is a bigger role/higher profile. That has to be earned on the court because your teammates are going to help grow your role, if you earn it.

Up to this point, Osunniyi has been solid. He's a good defender and above average rim protector. On offense his game is raw, just like it was at St. Bonaventure. It was probably unreasonable to expect Osun to become a big offensive threat bumping up a level to the Big12 AND in less than 10 months. IMO his biggest issue on offense is lack of physical strength.

I would think when Osunniyi is watching tape, he see's that Robert Jones gives ISU a physical post player with a decent low post game. Sure he might be disappointed that he hasn't been able to garner a bigger role, but I would think our success on the court helps dampen that feeling.
all good points. besides, he's gotten into early foul trouble...alot.
 

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If he feels it in his knee when he hurts his ankle I'm nervous to ask where he feels it when he hurts his knee.
If watching the World Cup last month taught me anything, it's that you can ABSOLUTELY suffer excruciatingly painful knee injuries from even the slightest human contact nowhere near your knee.

In fact, apparently it can even happen if someone comes close enough that it might look like someone could have possibly touched you but actually didn't touch you at all. Then BOOM! Your knee literally explodes internally into dust, temporarily, and you writhe around on the ground and cry out to your dead relatives that you are coming to see them soon.

So yeah, I can see the ankle to knee thing.
 

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FWIW I rolled my ankle hopping (in the opposite direction as Shoon rolled his) this past Saturday and boy that sucker got swollen and tightened up Sunday and I could barely walk all day. Todays Wednesday though and i feel like I could get back out there and launch some more air balls.

But then on the flip side, my wife rolled her ankle the same way as Shoon and she broke a bone in her foot and was hobbling around for 8 weeks.

Hope our injuries help clarify his probable status for Saturday
 

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Back off.
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Fact that any starter was in that game with 7 min to play up 34 points is ludicrous..

First time i've questioned TJ's coaching..

The game was over. Impossible for TT to come back even if TT stole every ISU possession and hit a 3 on every possession to end the game.

Game was over.

I was yelling to take out starters and then Osun.

Just a poor poor coaching decision.
I was thinking that same thing 20 seconds before he rolled his ankle. Not a huge deal. I was just thinking about resting guys for ku and letting the reserves get some minutes in front of the home crowd. I'm sure TJ had a reason for keeping those guys in that is beyond my understanding.
 

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I was thinking that same thing 20 seconds before he rolled his ankle. Not a huge deal. I was just thinking about resting guys for ku and letting the reserves get some minutes in front of the home crowd. I'm sure TJ had a reason for keeping those guys in that is beyond my understanding.
I assume it’s a sort of respect thing that you don’t put the reserves in until there is a certain amount of time left
 
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Anymore, I almost feel like Shoon is backing up Big Rob rather than the other way around.

Shoon came from a system where he basically lurked around in the lane, looking to block shots, grab rebounds and get dunks. In TJ's system where we're constantly switching on defense, Shoon has to defend all over the court, making it more challenging to rack up the blocks, rebounds, and points. I think he's still adjusting to this and it may be causing him some frustration.

Come on. Jones makes a couple of baskets in a game and people go delirious.

Shun has more offensive potential, is a better defender (better in trans, better helpside, and doesn't fall asleep on cutters as much as Jones), and is infinitely better in transition. He's also a much better rebounder, something Jones is very poor at, even moreso when considering his size.

Where Jones really has value is his post up game, which is more polished than Osun's. When he is decisive and makes quick moves he can be very effective. He also has a tendency to plod and when he does that it often ends in an easy trap or TO.

We are a different team when Osun is on the floor and not in foul trouble. He can ALTER a game. With Jones you just hope he gives you occasional buckets, doesn't turn it over, and doesn't lose awareness on the defensive end of the floor.

His FT shooting also makes him a liability at the end of a close game. I mean, if Osun isn"t in foul trouble you can't really justify putting Jones on the floor.
 

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I assume it’s a sort of respect thing that you don’t put the reserves in until there is a certain amount of time left
The common courtesy actually is supposed to come from the other team's coach who's down by a lot. They're supposed to wave the white flag by putting in reserves. If not, you just keep going. If you've ever watched an Iowa game where they're getting their ass kicked, Fran rarely will pull his guys until like 1-2 minutes left in the game.
 

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Come on. Jones makes a couple of baskets in a game and people go delirious.

Shun has more offensive potential, is a better defender (better in trans, better helpside, and doesn't fall asleep on cutters as much as Jones), and is infinitely better in transition. He's also a much better rebounder, something Jones is very poor at, even moreso when considering his size.

Where Jones really has value is his post up game, which is more polished than Osun's. When he is decisive and makes quick moves he can be very effective. He also has a tendency to plod and when he does that it often ends in an easy trap or TO.

We are a different team when Osun is on the floor and not in foul trouble. He can ALTER a game. With Jones you just hope he gives you occasional buckets, doesn't turn it over, and doesn't lose awareness on the defensive end of the floor.

His FT shooting also makes him a liability at the end of a close game. I mean, if Osun isn"t in foul trouble you can't really justify putting Jones on the floor.
I agree with you that people go nuts for Bob but I think that's because he has boughten into the roll of full on utility player hook line and sinker. He also looks a bit odd when doing some things on the court but you know what, it works! Sure he has bad moments but what player doesn't? He's a fantastic backup big man and to counter your point about him being a bad rebounder, he's actually averaging more rebounds than Shoon is..

When Bob allows the flow of the game to come to him, he's actually pretty solid on both ends of the court. The past two games Bob has been very good. Now, I'll agree that Shoon is definitely better than him in almost all areas of the game, especially FT shooting. Bob is very very bad from the line.
 

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Fact that any starter was in that game with 7 min to play up 34 points is ludicrous..

First time i've questioned TJ's coaching..

The game was over. Impossible for TT to come back even if TT stole every ISU possession and hit a 3 on every possession to end the game.

Game was over.

I was yelling to take out starters and then Osun.

Just a poor poor coaching decision.
Ken Pomeroy don't likey defense. More likey offense.
 

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I agree with you that people go nuts for Bob but I think that's because he has boughten into the roll of full on utility player hook line and sinker. He also looks a bit odd when doing some things on the court but you know what, it works! Sure he has bad moments but what player doesn't? He's a fantastic backup big man and to counter your point about him being a bad rebounder, he's actually averaging more rebounds than Shoon is..

When Bob allows the flow of the game to come to him, he's actually pretty solid on both ends of the court. The past two games Bob has been very good. Now, I'll agree that Shoon is definitely better than him in almost all areas of the game, especially FT shooting. Bob is very very bad from the line.
His assessment of Big Rob was a bit harsh. What you said about allowing the flow of the game to come to him is spot on. He is great in his role, as long as he's buying into the role and not trying to play hero ball (which he does tend to do at times when he catches the ball down on the block and has a 1 on 1 situation). Moving screens and free throws are my biggest grip with Rob. Overall though, I love what he brings to the table for this team. If he was our only big, we'd be in trouble. Really hope Osun isn't out for an extended period of time.
 

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His assessment of Big Rob was a bit harsh. What you said about allowing the flow of the game to come to him is spot on. He is great in his role, as long as he's buying into the role and not trying to play hero ball (which he does tend to do at times when he catches the ball down on the block and has a 1 on 1 situation). Moving screens and free throws are my biggest grip with Rob. Overall though, I love what he brings to the table for this team. If he was our only big, we'd be in trouble. Really hope Osun isn't out for an extended period of time.
I think Shoon is going to okay. If I were to guess, I'd say he'll play Saturday in some capacity.
 
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His assessment of Big Rob was a bit harsh. What you said about allowing the flow of the game to come to him is spot on. He is great in his role, as long as he's buying into the role and not trying to play hero ball (which he does tend to do at times when he catches the ball down on the block and has a 1 on 1 situation). Moving screens and free throws are my biggest grip with Rob. Overall though, I love what he brings to the table for this team. If he was our only big, we'd be in trouble. Really hope Osun isn't out for an extended period of time.
He's also consistently going to see one-on-ones in the post, so he HAS to attack the basket regularly if everyone else is going to stay glued to their man. If nothing else it opens up passing lanes if it entices guys to sag down and dig when he puts it on the deck. If nobody comes, then he has about as easy look as your going to get with his much improved right hand.

I don't cringe anymore every time he makes his move. I used to, but not anymore. Half the time it actually looks pretty smooth, and he's been efficient enough this year with his right hand. I hope everyone recognizes how much he's improved in that regard.

Still can't shoot free throws to save his life though. He does benefit from the fact that most teams aren't going to encourage their main rotation bigs to foul on purpose most of the time. You would have to bring help for that or a scrub big off the bench to play goon. Late game situations though? Yeah it's going to be an issue at some point.

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