Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Updates from Wilner and Canzano this morning. Nothing super newsworthy.

But I agree with @cyman05 's post here...we might just be in a lull for awhile. Just effing great.

As I said before I don’t know why it really matters. Worst case scenario is we’re exactly where we were a few days ago. Big 12 isn’t on the chopping block no matter what happens.
 

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And if they're invited to the Big12, it needs to come with a lengthy GOR. Otherwise, we'll be back here again in a couple years talking about Oregon to the Big10. Take out the legs of the PAC and force OU and UW to make a decision.

a long term GOR requires a long term TV deal, and I'm not sure the conferences or the networks want to do that. The networks would love an ACC type long term commitment but the conferences would hate that. The conferences would love a long term high dollar commitment but the networks don't really want that.
With the numbers being thrown around, Option 1 is already pretty much eliminated. Of course they’d prefer to stay together, but if you’re going to be making 4-5x less than the B1G/SEC and 2x less than the Big 12 for ~10 years with all expansion options out there…the writing is on the wall. I don’t even see unequal sharing as an option…just more discontent and instability. Add to that the fact that FOX has pretty much shunned them and ESPN is the only partner in play for 30 days…yikes.

I find it very hard to believe that the Big 12 will get twice as much as the Pac 12. They'll get more than the Pac 12 whether the Pac 12 adds anyone or not. It would probably be better financially for them to become the Pac 10 again.
 

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As I said before I don’t know why it really matters. Worst case scenario is we’re exactly where we were a few days ago. Big 12 isn’t on the chopping block no matter what happens.
I'm just tired of all this, period. Even if we do seem to be safe.
 
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Updates from Wilner and Canzano this morning. Nothing super newsworthy.

But I agree with @cyman05 's post here...we might just be in a lull for awhile. Just effing great.

Honestly, that Canzano article is just stupid. They give the NYC. DC, Tampa, and Orlando markets to the ACC even though they have no teams there.

When listing the Big 12 markets, he neglects to give us Orlando (even though we'll ACTUALLY have a team there). And if having a team in Syracuse delivers the NYC market to the ACC, then by that logic, Cincinatti should deliver us Cleveland. And a team in Houston or Waco should deliver us San Antonio. He's not giving the Big 12 credit for any of those markets.
 

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a long term GOR requires a long term TV deal, and I'm not sure the conferences or the networks want to do that. The networks would love an ACC type long term commitment but the conferences would hate that. The conferences would love a long term high dollar commitment but the networks don't really want that.
I don't think it matters as much in a P2+1 or P3 world.

If the Big 12 can create the "3" of a P3 setup, in which there is only 1 middle class conference, there is stability. The P2 will be way higher, the G5 way lower in revenue.

I wouldn't be surprised to see buyout clauses in the GOR for someone getting promoted to P2, and maybe even for going down (although that much less likely this round of deals).

In a P3 setup in which the 3 is consolidation of leftovers and current elite G5, where does anyone go?

And there is little risk that "3" splits, because anyone of value will want to be in the conference with the promotion buyout clause in the GOR. And splits don't occur with low value leaving high value.
 
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Canzano is getting fed info straight from the Pac-12 AD's and conference office.

Athletic reporting is likely from the Big 12 offices and AD's.

Regardless of outcome. The Big 12 is in no worse shape which is awesome
 

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The bigger schools that would try to keep the Pac 12 on life-support are just waiting out the B1G and hoping they get an invite once more dominos fall.

Oregon and Washington will probably be forced to join the Big 12 if Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah bolt.

And they'll have to sign a GOR (which they probably don't want to do if they think the B1G could come calling in like 2 years).

The four mountain schools as far as I can see really have no benefit to sticking around unless someone decides to throw a bunch of money their way temporarily. However, if the B1G does call teams like Oregon or Washington in 2 years, the Pac 12 is mega-dead, and those schools may/may not be invited to the Big 12 or will probably have like reduced payouts as conditions to join.
 
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Honest question here, do you think a ton of isu fans would pay $25 per month to watch their team? Only reason why I ask is people keep pointing out how cheap the fan base is. I have no idea if this is actually true but it is something I see posted regularly in regards to donations and NIL. Obv paying to watch the games is different then those things which is why I ask the question.
I think a ton would, though they would ***** until the end of time about it.
 

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Also, for those who are confused who ESPN wants to survive, think about who helps them make money the most. It’s the big XII. I know the lawsuit situation and such but what will make them the most money? The playoffs. Who said yes to the playoffs, the big XII did. Kill the conferences who voted against it (wasn’t it the PAC and ACC?) and get three conferences that say yep, let’s go.

Makes sense that they would now be helping the big XII kill the PAC more than trying to help the PAC survive.
The playoffs are a big deal- but who gains the rights will be part of an open bidding process. Plus, I bet the playoff is split between 2 media partners.

The Pac12 & Big12 TV contracts are out for bid over the next 2 years.

The ACC deal is owned by ESPN for the next 14 years. I am sure FSU, Clemson, etc. want a richer deal. One way ESPN may be able to protect its ACC investment, could be an ACC/Pac12 merger.
 

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The bigger schools that would try to keep the Pac 12 on life-support are just waiting out the B1G and hoping they get an invite once more dominos fall.

Oregon and Washington will probably be forced to join the Big 12 if Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah bolt.

And they'll have to sign a GOR (which they probably don't want to do if they think the B1G could come calling in like 2 years).

The four mountain schools as far as I can see really have no benefit to sticking around unless someone decides to throw a bunch of money their way temporarily.

Thing is that temporary money could be really temporary. If Oregon and Washington leave it'd all blow up again. The Big 12 will be renegotiating in just a year and could probably get it done sooner if they absorb those 6 teams.
 

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Yep, he is the best source currently on this subject.
He is money, and a straight shooter.
He's been on point for a decade on this.

And it makes sense- if ND does not finance more schools, the BIG likely waits. Even if they say yes, they can wait.

The only risk to this is the same risk with USC- ESPN making UW/Oregon co-independents. If they are shut out on BIG, USC, and ND, ESPN would have the cash. We are in a FOX vs ESPN cold war, and those types of moves occur in such corporate climate.
 
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Honest question here, do you think a ton of isu fans would pay $25 per month to watch their team? Only reason why I ask is people keep pointing out how cheap the fan base is. I have no idea if this is actually true but it is something I see posted regularly in regards to donations and NIL. Obv paying to watch the games is different then those things which is why I ask the question.

I basically pay 50 bucks a month to watch my team right now by having YoutubeTV.
 

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Probably. But it’s weird you find it necessary to take it upon yourself to make these points on this board.
My man if it bothers you so much put me on ignore. I get messages from people saying they like my interaction but I get that some will immediately be against it just because I’m not an ISU alum.
 
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