Tyrese Hunter Entering the Transfer Portal - NIL Speculation

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This is no different than a Talen Horten Tucker situation. If Tyrese was 6’3 we would have lost him to the draft. Either way he is a one and done from our perspective
 

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Considering Tyrese's background/history, I'm happy for him if he gets paid. However, it's a travesty for Iowa State basketball and really for college athletics in general.

I will not be financially supporting this sort of thing. Paying kids the type of money we are talking about to play a game...and then to at the same time give them a free education is absurd. Especially when you consider the other places that money could be going - people in the Ukraine, the homeless, research for cancer and Alzheimer's...the list goes on. Let the kids work on learning their skills in college (just like our future pharmacists, doctors, and engineers)...and then they can go get paid.
Bingo....

I'm by no means a "big donor", but have given about 25k to ISU. That has gone to close to zero given the direction things are going with college athletics. Just not worth it and there are much more important things in life....perspective. My former tailgating partner has given 100K plus and he has taken his donation from Director's to Cardinal. Similar frustrations.
 

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It’s OK that we’re a cheap fan base it’s just our culture. But that same fan base shouldn’t be mad about being poached when we’re not gonna step up and do anything about it.

Is the fanbase big enough to match blue bloods even if everyone contributes something?
 

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This is a very ISU diehard specific point of view. College rosters turnover all the time, most casual fans (which is the vast majority of the viewing audience) can only name a few guys on each team. If anything, big names switching teams drives more attention to the sport. More people will watch South Carolina next year because they remember Rattler being a Heisman candidate at OU. College football has three of Clemson/Alabama/Ohio St/OU/Georgia in the playoffs every single year, every other school in the country is hoping for a chance at one spot, there's no competitive balance in college football, and there never has been. The increase in sports betting also drives more interest in the college game that will remain regardless of who is on each team.
Betting has been here, and viewership hasn't grown at the pace needed to stave off a bubble. Not even close.

And it doesn't matter that there are the same teams going to the playoff. If there are 60 teams competing for one spot, people will watch, even if the odds are tiny. Look at ratings as they go throughout the year, and how those teams that have next to no chance, but still a tiny one hang on to good ratings.

The thing about ratings is that during the year, they don't have the luxury of hindsight. Yep, the same teams tend to get in, but if in week 10 there are 20 teams with an outside chance at getting the last spot their games draw big numbers. And if they lose and in week 11 they are essentially mathematically eliminated, ratings tank.

The point is no matter how bad competitive balance is now, the difference in one in a million and zero in a million is night and day in terms of viewership. And even though you may never have a significant impact in the actual result of playoff teams, shifting 50-60 teams from one in a million to zero in a million will put a huge dent in national viewership. That's what happens to ratings now. You can look back and see that it's pretty much the same 5-6 teams every year, but viewership tells us without a doubt, that illusion of having a chance is incredibly valuable to college football.
 
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I think the really interesting stuff is going to come when you start getting examples of kids getting $1M+ to go play for some school and they end up getting hurt, leaving or in trouble.

How do you handle something like Xavier Foster?
Lets say back a couple years ago we got him $500k/per year to commit and play here. (at the time he was a very highly recruited player)
Year 1 - Hurt
Year 2 - Legal issue and booted.
Just seems like we (as a society) are dumping a lot of cash into such uncertain things. Maybe some of these NIL deals have clauses? you get kicked off, you lose the funds?

I have no problem with the NIL with rules and limits.
What would be so bad about putting rules on the NIL and some limits? otherwise its going to end up like coaching and only a limited amount of schools can offer this up.

as for Tyrese, i think its sad. I don't know the money difference, but I get it. But he may also find himself in a worse situation where he not the focal point of the team and tank his stock also. who knows.
Hunter was setup to run this team next year. Disappointing.
 

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Saying we're a "cheap" fanbase is stupid. There are thousands of people who consistently spend the money to travel to bowl games, bball tournaments, etc. Every event I've went to was always packed with Cyclone fans and local businesses are consistently overwhelmed with how much business we bring. We just don't have the super rich people that are driving the NIL money like some of these other schools
 

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Paying millions to a prospective recruit that is 18 years old to compete at the College level is not sustainable. NIL payments are yearly. Blowing all that money on the iffy possibility that young kids will be a star. And when those athletes are a bust, what was our investment really worth? Iowa State is likely to not pay the exorbitant NIL fees.
 

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I have my reasons for not joining the premium boards. But having premium members come here and talk down to you for not joining is hilarious and only adds to my reasons not to join. Total doosh move.
I hardly ever use the premium boards. It’s not why I have it.

The point was that we’re a cheap fan base and I have my doubts about people stepping up like they claim, not to talk down to you and I apologize if it came across that way.
 
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Saying we're a "cheap" fanbase is stupid. There are thousands of people who consistently spend the money to travel to bowl games, bball tournaments, etc. Every event I've went to was always packed with Cyclone fans and local businesses are consistently overwhelmed with how much business we bring. We just don't have the super rich people that are driving the NIL money like some of these other schools
The Athletic Department says we’re at the bottom of the conference when it comes to donations. The proof is in the pudding
 

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I have my reasons for not joining the premium boards. But having premium members come here and talk down to you for not joining is hilarious and only adds to my reasons not to join. Total doosh move.

Spot on. I'm here for the message boards and banter. I don't pay attention to the articles or podcasts.
 

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I have my reasons for not joining the premium boards. But having premium members come here and talk down to you for not joining is hilarious and only adds to my reasons not to join. Total doosh move.

Not to mention, this is a conversation about compensating athletes. Joining a premium message board does nothing to advance that cause.
 

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The Athletic Department says we’re at the bottom of the conference when it comes to donations. The proof is in the pudding

How many donors are millionaire/billionaire types?

How many schools don't have that kind of arrangement?
 

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I agree with most of this, but I'm not so sure about growth of market share for teams at the top. If I stop following or investing as much in ISU in this new world, I'm not going to replace that with KU hoops or OU football. I'm either going to give more time and money to the pros, or something outside of sports. College sports fandom isn't as mobile as the pros. Most fans are here due to life history or personal connections to a school that can't be replaced with another institution.

And that is quickly fading with what is going in Iowa on the education side and now this new reality in college sports.
 
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Betting has been here, and viewership hasn't grown at the pace needed to stave off a bubble. Not even close.

And it doesn't matter that there are the same teams going to the playoff. If there are 60 teams competing for one spot, people will watch, even if the odds are tiny. Look at ratings as they go throughout the year, and how those teams that have next to no chance, but still a tiny one hang on to good ratings.

The thing about ratings is that during the year, they don't have the luxury of hindsight. Yep, the same teams tend to get in, but if in week 10 there are 20 teams with an outside chance at getting the last spot their games draw big numbers. And if they lose and in week 11 they are essentially mathematically eliminated, ratings tank.

The point is no matter how bad competitive balance is now, the difference in one in a million and zero in a million is night and day in terms of viewership. And even though you may never have a significant impact in the actual result of playoff teams, shifting 50-60 teams from one in a million to zero in a million will put a huge dent in national viewership. That's what happens to ratings now. You can look back and see that it's pretty much the same 5-6 teams every year, but viewership tells us without a doubt, that illusion of having a chance is incredibly valuable to college football.

Cincinnati-SMU had a 0.5 rating in Week 12, HUGE numbers. You're really overestimating the rating boost of teams having a shot at the playoff.
 

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Want to make NIL go away? Change the athletes to employees and make scholarships and student athlete benefits taxable items...

Could do this for MBB and FB only as the other sports be be wiped out with this change.

0% chance I can convince my wife into making a contribution to athletes after just finishing in 2020 paying a combined $90K in student loan principal and interest.... Maybe as the memory of student debt passing
 

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