What’s happening to Des Moines?

Cyfan1965

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Yeah, I agree. I just don't see any advantage to growing to the size of Omaha. Besides it's great zoo, I see no advantage Omaha has over Des Moines. Not that either place gets a lot of tourism from outside the state but if you were to recommend a place to visit for an outsider, I'd consider them about equal.
The one thing I will say is when we played volleyball in Omaha we always found a place to eat by any of the venues and things for the girls to do off hours. Not so much in Des Moines. We walked around downtown Des Moines trying to find anything to eat and there wasn't so much as a subway.
 

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The one thing I will say is when we played volleyball in Omaha we always found a place to eat by any of the venues and things for the girls to do off hours. Not so much in Des Moines. We walked around downtown Des Moines trying to find anything to eat and there wasn't so much as a subway.

Was this in the 80’s?
 

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It's not, though. It's confined to a relatively small area. The media has made it seem the town is overrun, but Portland is a beautiful city with a small area of homeless.
You’re right that Portland is a beautiful city, but making the claim that the homeless problem is confined to a relatively small area is unequivocally false. I don’t know if I’d say the city is overrun, but it’s closer to that than the opposite. Portland is in the middle of a mental health/drug addiction/houseless crisis.

source: I live here, and love it despite it’s flaws.
 
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The one thing I will say is when we played volleyball in Omaha we always found a place to eat by any of the venues and things for the girls to do off hours. Not so much in Des Moines. We walked around downtown Des Moines trying to find anything to eat and there wasn't so much as a subway.
That really is true. If you're at Wells Fargo, it's a long trek down to court avenue. I'd love to see a little trolley.
 
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CascadeClone

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Do a little research on some other countries and you'll easily answer your question. I'll give you a few countries to start with
Switzerland
Japan
Denmark

Two of those countries are very small. All 3 are completely homogenous culturally and racially. Iowa might be more diverse.

I agree that overall attitudes towards immigration (and nearly every even slightly complicated social/political issue) are quite uneducated across the board. We don't even have actual policy discussions, just reactive yelling that the other side is evil and/or stupid.

But comparing the US to most countries is tough, there are a lot of apples to oranges confounding the situation.
 
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CyGuy5

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Yeah, I agree. I just don't see any advantage to growing to the size of Omaha. Besides it's great zoo, I see no advantage Omaha has over Des Moines. Not that either place gets a lot of tourism from outside the state but if you were to recommend a place to visit for an outsider, I'd consider them about equal.

Omaha has the CWS which probably brings more in more tourism than DSM sees in a year
 

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One thing you have to keep in mind about the walk from Wells to Court Ave. is that most of those people don't know Des Moines. A lot of people may assume this walk is similar to the dangers of walking through a minefield :)
 

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There shouldn't be a discussion about whether or not the Des Moines metro should grow. Growth is needed or else you'll see massive decline. The reality is that its a ponzi scheme. The value added to the City by growth is never enough to pay off the expensive infrastructure that needs to be maintained and eventually replaced. The option to not grow is a death sentence for a city.

The solution is to acknowledge that growth is inevitable and focus our energy on how we grow. The focus needs to be creating areas of intense activity that have high value compare to the cost to provide city services. The antithesis of that is the single family neighborhood and suburban commercial development. Unfortunately this metro has way to much of those things going on.
 

deadeyededric

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There shouldn't be a discussion about whether or not the Des Moines metro should grow. Growth is needed or else you'll see massive decline. The reality is that its a ponzi scheme. The value added to the City by growth is never enough to pay off the expensive infrastructure that needs to be maintained and eventually replaced. The option to not grow is a death sentence for a city.

The solution is to acknowledge that growth is inevitable and focus our energy on how we grow. The focus needs to be creating areas of intense activity that have high value compare to the cost to provide city services. The antithesis of that is the single family neighborhood and suburban commercial development. Unfortunately this metro has way to much of those things going on.
How does the state grow economically and otherwise if it's financial centers don't? It's not like people are moving to SW and SE Iowa in droves. I see lack of overall population growth in the state as a problem.
 

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How does the state grow economically and otherwise if it's financial centers don't? It's not like people are moving to SW and SE Iowa in droves. I see lack of overall population growth in the state as a problem.

That was my point, we have to grow, if we don't we'll see decline. But we have to realize that the type of growth is critically important. The type of suburban sprawl we've seen throughout the last 70 years is problematic. That type of growth costs a city more than it generates in revenue. The only way to cover that gap is to grow more, and in that past that has been more sprawl. The problem is that's a delicate house of cards that can easily come tumbling down. We'd be better off to try and grow in ways that create more lasting value than our current growth does.
 
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