North: ISU, KSU, KU, OSU
South: TT, TCU, BU, UH
East: Memphis, UCF, UCin, WVU
West: BYU, ASU, COLO, Oregon State
Really I would like USC, Oregon and Washington, but it will never happen.
Big 12 Expansion (new thread)
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South: TT, TCU, BU, UH
East: Memphis, UCF, UCin, WVU
West: BYU, ASU, COLO, Oregon State
Really I would like USC, Oregon and Washington, but it will never happen.
I was basing my league off big10 taking USC, UCLA, WASH and ORE
Would much rather have Arizona and Utah over Memphis and Oregon State. Oregon State seems like the least desirable school in the PAC12. Also don't see why we would decline to take Memphis now but then choose them over any PAC12 team?
Also, I really despise "pods" - I get the idea of them but really don't like them
Eyeballs have value. Especially eyeballs that are passionate. There are probably 75-100M people that live in states with SEC schools. So yes the SEC has value. Same for the Big10.
I agree that Oregon State adds absolutely nothing, but frankly in this scenario Stanford adds more than Utah since BYU and Colorado would deliver the entire intermountain West with or without Utah. I would also take Arizona basketball over Memphis.
Is the grass greener? I would be curious if CU feels leaving the Big12 has benefitted their athletic programs and overall university.
While the Big12 TV media deal might be less valuable with OU & UT gone. Is the PAC12 going to be a significantly bigger payday?
The answer is likely no. And that is based on USC, Oregon, Washington still being in the Pac12. If those schools aren't there, the Pac12's TV rights are probably not as good as the new Big12.
This is going to be a linear process with TV rights deals needing renewal for Big10 and Pac12.
The reality is the Big12 offers more TV rights security than the Pac12 right now.
For those who haven't seen it, Cincinnati has a really cool stadium with a pretty unique design/location.
Let’s hope you’re correct.
But all of this speculation about the deal they are going to sign is no different than speculating on the deal the new big aac is going to get.
But hey, why not add that fourth time zone?
Utah is the most underrated media value team in the PAC. Considering Big 12 has no network I would swap market and footprint for fans that actually watch.
Did the Pac12 have a chance to pounce? Do they have a GOR beyond 2023/24? Do they have a TV deal beyond 2023/24?
With all the realignment talk, I don't seem to hear much talk about new TV rights deals yet.
Smart people could do better than this but there are workable ways.
20 teams - divide into four pods of 5. Every year rotate through pod pairings to form two divisions of 10. Play your full division. i.e. Year 1, Pods A-B vs. Pods C-D in the CCG. Year 2, Pods A-C vs. Pods B-D. Play four rivals annually and the 15 remaining schools once per three years.
24 teams divide into six pods of 4. Every year, rotate through pairing three pods together for two divisions of 12. Play your full pod plus 3/4 of the teams in the two other paired pods. Year 1, Pods A-B-C vs. D-E-F. Year 2, A-C-E vs. B-D-F. Play three rivals annually and rotate through the remaining 20 schools by playing 6 each year; play every school at least every 4 years.
Even for me as someone bullish on the new Big 12, this seems very optimistic.
I think Boise St is fools gold and I don’t understand why we would add them or why they are still getting any run.
Here's why I think this may be more true. The B12 has lost its big brands and has solidified with a group of schools that each bring more or less similar value, but that is not true for the P12. USC and Oregon and probably also Washington are A LOT more valuable than the rest and are really dragged down by Ore St and Wash St (that basically add nothing). If USC and Oregon determine that it's in their best interest to move to the BIG and make BIG/SEC money then likely no more than 2 others get to go with them (Wash + UCLA or Colo). The remaining 8 schools are MUCH weaker than the B12, particularly with the dead weight of OSU and WSU and each would be begging the B12 for admission.
Will it happen like that? No one knows, but USC/Ore are unlikely to get anywhere near BIG/SEC money in the P12 and I'll be curious to see how it plays out. Personally, I would love to see this scenario and have the B12 add the Arizona schools, Stanford and either UCLA or Colo (which ever doesn't go to the BIG).
There’s nothing to add strategically. We just elevated 3 g5 schools to keep the conference afloat. You can list BYU as a g5 team also, since the had never played above the Mwc level.
this was 8 schools that currently have zero options smearing lipstick all over that pig’s snout.
it will be very interesting to see what the networks deem the big aac to be worth for media contracts. That will be your big tell as to how viable this new league will truly be to grow the athletic departments of every one of the remaining 8
I guess you might be technically correct re "security," but I think the fact is that
*USC/Ore/likely the other California schools/Washington are not going to do worse than Pac-12 money
*The next tier - Arizona, Colorado, Utah, ASU - are not going to do worse than New Big 12 money
It's hard to say the New Big 12 is superior from a TV $ standpoint when it is worse than any possible option for a chunk of the Pac-12, and the fall-back worst case scenario for the next chunk. It's arguably only true for Oregon St and Washington St (and maybe Cal/Stanford, but probably not), and that's only if the Pac-12 gets raided, which is not likely right now.
B12 not part of the alliance, imo, means more than just this first level of expansion.
