If the B12 remains intact and moves forward

[cyIclSoneU]

I have wondered if weeknight games and late night starts would help the new contract.

The new B12 won't have the anchor schools the PAC like USC, UCLA, Or & UW or ACC FSU & Clemson has but should aim for doing as on the field and approach them closely ratings wise.

I wouldn't want to go full MACtion and play on Tuesdays or something, but if we would get more money by adding additional Thursday and Friday night games, let's do it. The B1G recently added Fridays so there is clearly money there. I'd prefer not to compete with high school football but we gotta do what we gotta do.

 

[ripvdub]

If the Big 12 doesnt expand it will not exist as a Power Conf with playoff access..

The Big 12 has no choice.

I didn't say don't expand, i said don't expand yet/too early. Each individual school needs to wait and see if they have a future outside the Big 12. If we expand too early there is no chance we go to the B1G or Pac12. These other schools will still be there in another 2 years, if then the otherconference still have no interest in expansion, then we expand for when tv contract runs out.

 

[Beach_Tornado]

Okay honestly, I think this news is what I’d expect. No conference will say they’re adding teams now. The R8 will stay put until they get a settlement from UT, OU, and ESPN. This will allow them to get as much money as possible. Once that happens, I’d take a lot more of this news more seriously. But people have different motives for leaking information and ISU could very well end up in a P5 conference once all is said and done. But they could also end up in an expanded big 12. I’m cautiously optimistic, hoping for the big 10, but we will see after they secure the bag.

 

[HouClone]

It also helps that Boise State has been a top G5 program for many years I think. Part of this is ethereal "perception." We want to be perceived as a power league. Boise has been playing power league-worthy football for many years and everyone knows it. If they also bring fan eyeballs, let's do it. I just hope we would ask them to install green turf!

They are the top sports team (not just college sports) in a state about as large as Nebraska or West Virginia, and Idaho was also the second-fastest growing state in the country over the last decade. (The first? Utah.)

Boise vs. BYU in a 10 PM ET rivalry game in the Big 12 would be a game I would absolutely tune into.

Would be a nice trip to both places too. Not sure of the buy-out and any GOR for Boise State.

 

[Die4Cy]

Any Big 12 additions should be considered carefully, and not based only on recent football success. The same media that denigrates the R8 now, build up a Cincinnati or Memphis every year despite those teams beating half a dozen teams on par with Kansas to get there.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Would be a nice trip to both places too. Not sure of the buy-out and any GOR for Boise State.

The Mtn West and AAC do not have GORs. The Mtn West would require about $12MM and 1 year of notice from Boise (the exit fee is double the last year's distribution). The American requires $10MM and 27 months notice, but UConn negotiated that down to a year by paying $17MM.

If the new Big 12 distributed something in the $20s, we could add everyone on half shares for like five years and loan them their exit fee money, too, and they'd still be able to make a few million more - while taking half shares and paying back their loan - than they would have in their old leagues. So the exit fees don't seem like a problem.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Any Big 12 additions should be considered carefully, and not based only on recent football success. The same media that denigrates the R8 now, build up a Cincinnati or Memphis every year despite those teams beating half a dozen teams on par with Kansas to get there.

I think it’s especially important to elevate g 5 schools to the big 12 to get the full g 5 experience.

might as well embrace it, right? We can pretend that the people paying tv contracts will be thrilled with boise state vs central Florida, and won’t chop 20+ million per team off the tv contract.

that Should definitely keep Campbell in Ames.

 

[Cyclones1969]

The Mtn West and AAC do not have GORs. The Mtn West would require about $12MM and 1 year of notice from Boise (the exit fee is double the last year's distribution). The American requires $10MM and 27 months notice, but UConn negotiated that down to a year by paying $17MM.

If the new Big 12 distributed something in the $20s, we could add everyone on half shares for like five years and loan them their exit fee money, too, and they'd still be able to make a few million more - while taking half shares and paying back their loan - than they would have in their old leagues. So the exit fees don't seem like a problem.

Where is the conference going to get that money to loan those schools?

 

[scyclonekid]

In all of this watch what happens in how the NCAA governs itself

 

[Cyclones1969]

Where is the conference going to get that money to loan those schools?

@cylclSoneU - are you going to answer this question? Or is this like when you said espn lawyers would have these great arguments and not pay anything out?

 

[Die4Cy]

In all of this watch what happens in how the NCAA governs itself

The people at the NCAA's goal is just to keep their jobs and the payday of the NCAA tournament. They have been fully neutered, and while the sport needs a regulating body, I don't think the NCAA is organized any longer in such a way to have much teeth.

The sport is going to have some issues sorting that stuff all out over the next few years.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

@cylclSoneU - are you going to answer this question? Or is this like when you said espn lawyers would have these great arguments and not pay anything out?

I thought even you could figure it out because it's incredibly simple. The league will line up its TV deal beginning 2025 or whatever. Let's say $20MM per year per school; could be different but that makes for easy math. That's $240MM to the Big 12 per year; if the contract is more than 4 years (and it will be) it's more than a billion dollar contract.

Boise/BYU/Cincinnati/UCF are added on half shares for like five years. So they get $10MM and the other eight split $200MM, or $25MM.

Meanwhile the league has loaned Boise, Cincy, and UCF a collective $32MM which is a drop in the bucket when borrowed against a more-than-billion-dollar TV contract. The other eight schools could easily pay themselves back in a year by taking $21MM instead of $25MM for the first year and then up to $25MM for the remainder of the half share period.

Meanwhile those three take a $2MM haircut for six years to repay the loans. So their $10MM becomes $8MM.

Seeing as Boise is currently making $6MM and Cincy/UCF are making $7MM in their current conferences, they still make more money even after the exit fees and half shares, and in 5-6 years (or whatever) when the loans are repaid and the initial half-share period is over, their $8MM goes up to $20MM.

The biggest takeaway here is that you don't think a league that is going to sign a ten-figure contract can figure out how to loan out $30MM lol

 

[clonedude]

I thought even you could figure it out because it's incredibly simple. The league will line up its TV deal beginning 2025 or whatever. Let's say $20MM per year per school; could be different but that makes for easy math. That's $240MM to the Big 12 per year; if the contract is more than 4 years (and it will be) it's more than a billion dollar contract.

Boise/BYU/Cincinnati/UCF are added on half shares for like five years. So they get $10MM and the other eight split $200MM, or $25MM.

Meanwhile the league has loaned Boise, Cincy, and UCF a collective $32MM which is a drop in the bucket when borrowed against a more-than-billion-dollar TV contract. The other eight schools could easily pay themselves back in a year by taking $21MM instead of $25MM for the first year and then up to $25MM for the remainder of the half share period.

Meanwhile those three take a $2MM haircut for six years to repay the loans. So their $10MM becomes $8MM.

Seeing as Boise is currently making $6MM and Cincy/UCF are making $7MM in their current conferences, they still make more money even after the exit fees and half shares, and in 5-6 years (or whatever) when the loans are repaid and the initial half-share period is over, their $8MM goes up to $20MM.

The biggest takeaway here is that you don't think a league that is going to sign a ten-figure contract can figure out how to loan out $30MM lol

At $20MM per school, we lose our entire coaching staff most likely, and won't be able to do any facility upgrades anymore either.... so there's that.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

At $20MM per school, we lose our entire coaching staff most likely, and won't be able to do any facility upgrades anymore either.... so there's that.

Who knows what the number will be, I'm not pretending to. I was just replying to someone who can't understand how a multi-billion dollar enterprise could make a $30 million loan.

 

[Jack Gladney]

I think some of the more high-minded values will be farther down the list in an emergency situation like this. You are the president of a Power 5 university and that status is threatened - you are much more likely to lean more heavily on who will bring in the most TV money and who will be a quality win when you play them.

Exactly. If you’re a university president told that your athletic department revenue is going to be cut in half in four years, I think we can agree that cultural fit, academics, objections to religious stances, etc all go out the door. When you’re facing massive cuts to your athletic programs on the scale we will be, you care about increasing revenue and only increasing revenue.

 

[CYCLNST8]

I will pistol whip the next SOB who says Boise State. The epitome of bloated community colleges.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I will pistol whip the next SOB who says Boise State. The epitome of bloated community colleges.

I don't think it's objectively WRONG to prefer a Colorado State to a Boise State - but it is wrong if your goal is to build the best football conference you can and generate as much revenue as possible for ISU.

I wish we were in a world where we could associate with like-minded, similar, nearby universities for things like athletics. We used to be. Not today.

 

[Mesaclone1]

Please.....quit with the Boise State and Colorado State garbage. Neither are ever coming to the Big 12. Likewise for the service academies. BYU, Cinci, UCF, Memphis and Houston...maybe USF....and that's all that are going to be considered for a 10 or 12 team Big 12.

 

[CYCLNST8]

I don't think it's objectively WRONG to prefer a Colorado State to a Boise State - but it is wrong if your goal is to build the best football conference you can and generate as much revenue as possible for ISU.

I wish we were in a world where we could associate with like-minded, similar, nearby universities for things like athletics. We used to be. Not today.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Please.....quit with the Boise State and Colorado State garbage. Neither are ever coming to the Big 12. Likewise for the service academies. BYU, Cinci, UCF, Memphis and Houston...maybe USF....and that's all that are going to be considered for a 10 or 12 team Big 12.

Maybe we stay at 9 and are able to negotiate keeping the championship game. The less ways to split a smaller pie, the better.