Is there any risk of losing out on a potential coach due to waiting until next week? I don't want to lose out on a guy like Craig Smith to Minnesota because we had to wait.
Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...
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I get what you are saying...but everyone knows it is a "firing". I mean...the rest of the college basketball world will know he was "fired" and that his program at Iowa State failed. So...why would he give up a million or so dollars for the sake of appearance? Clever wording in a press release won't be the reason he does or does not get another job in the future.
Okay this is your first rodeo. I get it.
Prohm rather leave. JP wants a new coach but is willing to bring Steve back if the buyout isn’t reduced. Steve says, you know what getting paid to watch my kids or coach Kentucky State School of the Blind sounds better than getting paid more to be the first big 12 team to go 0-18 twice. Common ground is reached so both sides are happy.
CycloneErik
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It's crazy talk.
No. Smith will likely be in the tournament. They won’t hire someone still playing. This isn’t football.
Some of you apparently have no experience in the world of managing employees. Unless absolutely necessary you don't fire your second highest paid employee via a Zoom call or phone call.
Jamie is going to sit down with Prohm in his office and they're going to essentially do a small talk autopsy on the basketball season. Jamie is likely going to give Prohm an opportunity to give his vision for the future.
Once that awkwardness is over Jamie is likely going to say the tribe has spoken and Steve will no longer be employed by Iowa State University. Per the terms of your contract we will be paying your buyout provisions and you will be free to seek other employment (can't remember if he has an offset in his contract).
Then they'll awkwardly shake hands and Steve will thank Jamie for the opportunity to lead the basketball program and apologies it didn't work out.
While fans have spite because of the program results that's still Jamie firing what I would bet is a fairly close friend. He's going to have nothing but respect for the process and allow Prohm to keep his dignity. Anyone suggesting he should do anything different than that is just an ass hole.
Jamie is going to sit down with Prohm in his office and they're going to essentially do a small talk autopsy on the basketball season. Jamie is likely going to give Prohm an opportunity to give his vision for the future.
Once that awkwardness is over Jamie is likely going to say the tribe has spoken and Steve will no longer be employed by Iowa State University. Per the terms of your contract we will be paying your buyout provisions and you will be free to seek other employment (can't remember if he has an offset in his contract).
Then they'll awkwardly shake hands and Steve will thank Jamie for the opportunity to lead the basketball program and apologies it didn't work out.
While fans have spite because of the program results that's still Jamie firing what I would bet is a fairly close friend. He's going to have nothing but respect for the process and allow Prohm to keep his dignity. Anyone suggesting he should do anything different than that is just an ass hole.
CycloneErik
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You might want to give this one up. It doesn't sound smarter as you ramble on.
This completely leaves out the part about JP knowing he has to answer to donors/fans for bringing back the coach who is behind what could be characterized as the worst 4 year stretch of Iowa State basketball in recent history.
Let's not act like JP has the stronger hand to play here.
I agree that ISU owes him the money and it would be foolish for him not to demand it.
But I've also been thinking about the current standard for buy outs. Why aren't these buy out clauses more variable? I would guess most coaches would sign up for that given that most coaches expect to succeed. If you're fired for being a mediocre coach the buyout is larger than if you're fired after winning 25% of your conference games over a 3 year period, or something like that. Just food for thought while we wait for the grim reaper.
I'm not sure the how/when/where/why of letting Steve go is why people are pinching their butt cheeks. It's the who/what and why of the hire. Because someone like Altman is a home run hire....while TJ is a homeboy hire.
My first rodeo? OK...guess you want to be immature on an anonymous message board...whatever. I have been a fan since the days of Barry Stevens. Yeah...I do get it...I asked at what dollar amount does Steve want out? You really think a man with a young family that just got humiliated in his profession should volunteer to give up potentially millions of dollars? Why do you feel the need to get so personal and attack on a message board?
No...that's Smith easily, no p6 experience, never built a program, walked into good situations.
TJ has been Associate HC at P5 Level at Iowa State. And was an Assistant at Washington. And HC at two different mid-Majors. TJ now has more experience than Prohm had. Closer to Prohm would be Darian Devries. Craig Smith would be similar to what TJ is now. I really don’t think Fred is even an option. Fred has health issues which could end his career at any time. Plus Fred would actually be a high risk hire IMO. The buyout for Fred would be astronomical. And the Salary would be huge. And Fred has not had success since he left Iowa State. Our Top Priority is Matt Campbell and Staff. We do not have an endless pot of money. We will hire a mid-major Coach. That is the smart money bet.
He's likely not getting fired. It'll be a parting.
And having him as "coach" for 5 more days effects nothing... except fans.
TJ walked into a real sweet deal at SDSU and has built absolutely nothing at UNLV. Unless beating Air Force 3 times in one season is considered a resume enhancer.
It’s not optics.
Getting fired for the full buyout isn’t on the table. He can’t make JP fire him without cause. His choice is to return or leave with a partial buyout. His call. One could say he could try to call Jamie on a bluff, and try to return, but he knows it’s over. Another year like this isn’t worth it.
Correct but has lots of p6 recruiting experience, Smith and Prohm have been mid major lifers. I wasn't saying one was better than the other, just that Smith is the most like Prohm of the guys we've been linked to.
What does firing Steve do today that will help us land Dana Altman?
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