Can someone talk about what happened here? Why was he wrestling 132 and then went up to 145? I know their 138’s history - could he not beat him this year and struggled to make 132?
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I want to get excited about Greenlee, but what did he do the final period when he needed a takedown to win? Not a darn thing.
He was warned on it, which was the right call. With only 10 seconds left Hagarty knew he could stall once, get the warning, then only have to wrestle for a few seconds.
happens all the time.
So going thru the champs and other top wrestlers, who do you think we have a shot at?
I assume the Lisbon & Don Bosco kids will be UNI or Iowa.
Garvin of ICW probably Iowa.
My guess is Voelker of WD will be UNI or Iowa.
WSR kids train at UNI?
What about the Waukee kids? John Meeks is an assistant there.
Entriksen of Hudson at Iowa State
Taylor of Solon?
Chet Buss looked tough. Football in college?
Mulder of Hull, Noonan of Cascade (is he the Wyoming commit?), the Osage kids
Jesuroga boys of SEP. Are they Iowa guys?
I assume the Lisbon & Don Bosco kids will be UNI or Iowa.
Garvin of ICW probably Iowa.
My guess is Voelker of WD will be UNI or Iowa.
WSR kids train at UNI?
What about the Waukee kids? John Meeks is an assistant there.
Entriksen of Hudson at Iowa State
Taylor of Solon?
Chet Buss looked tough. Football in college?
Mulder of Hull, Noonan of Cascade (is he the Wyoming commit?), the Osage kids
Jesuroga boys of SEP. Are they Iowa guys?
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Here's my take on Osage vs Indee match
1. It is stalling if a kid doesn't come back to the center of the mat when he's supposed to and that was clearly the case in my opinion. I'm also certain I saw the ref gave the kid a verbal warning earlier in the match and finally was forced to make that call. Whether the clock is running or not doesn't define stalling. The ref did his job and made a good call. (kudos to the ref)
2. Great job by the Indee kid for pulling off that last reversal. He found a way to win and the call was not controversial at all. (Congrats to that kid for a gutsy move at a clutch time in the match)
I do have some questions on HS rules since I follow college more closely now a days:
1. Are injury Timeout rules the same as college? (other guy gets his choice when they resume wrestling)
2. The out of bounds calls are very inconsistent and I think very hard for the refs. I love the college rules. Can someone explain to me the oob rules in HS? (I see a lot of complaints but I don't really know the HS rules) Also, has the HS level considered changing to the oob college rules? TIA
1. It is stalling if a kid doesn't come back to the center of the mat when he's supposed to and that was clearly the case in my opinion. I'm also certain I saw the ref gave the kid a verbal warning earlier in the match and finally was forced to make that call. Whether the clock is running or not doesn't define stalling. The ref did his job and made a good call. (kudos to the ref)
2. Great job by the Indee kid for pulling off that last reversal. He found a way to win and the call was not controversial at all. (Congrats to that kid for a gutsy move at a clutch time in the match)
I do have some questions on HS rules since I follow college more closely now a days:
1. Are injury Timeout rules the same as college? (other guy gets his choice when they resume wrestling)
2. The out of bounds calls are very inconsistent and I think very hard for the refs. I love the college rules. Can someone explain to me the oob rules in HS? (I see a lot of complaints but I don't really know the HS rules) Also, has the HS level considered changing to the oob college rules? TIA
2 Thoughts on this
1. I LOVED the new format compared to prior years (when they had one match really big and the other 2 matches small & announced the larger match). This allowed us to choose the match we wanted to focus on. Great job by the TV decision makers for making this change.
2. I can see where this change makes it harder for broadcasters. In the prior format they could focus on preparing for only one featured match at each weight. The new format required them to jump around and comment on all 3 matches that are going on at the same time... Pretty tough assignment IMO. Yes they made some mistakes but overall I thought they did a great job.
buf - the Jesuroga family moved into the SEP school district a few years ago (maybe 3 or 4) from Texas (I think). I consider them Iowa guys as much as I consider the Portillo's are from Clarion or any other family that moved into the state. I guess you could call them transplants vs born and raised Iowans. I'm hoping they are going after them both hard but have no inside info on this.
Thanks - this is a rule that I think college has it right. I wonder why the Indee kid didn't just pull a 2 minute "fake" injury. He appeared to be gassed or sick or something. Yet the Osage kid was the one that couldn't hold onto that leg/position as the time wound down. He was clearly the aggressor but he was also tired at the end and didn't have the strength to hold on.
I just thank god the kids in Iowa were allowed to wrestle. The decision to let them play sports in this state was a good one for the kids, they needed it to happen.
I'm guessing that you often think Degen is stalling when he wrestles. I thought Greenlee was very active trying to work a lot of arm drags, slide buys and snap downs & go behinds. It was obvious to me that Liddle was a lot bigger and stronger, he stayed in great position and Greenlee felt he couldn't shoot underneath. He only needed 2 to tie it up so there wasn't any need to go for a big throw. I am very excited about Greenlee... Imagine him adding 40 to 60 pounds and re-wrestling that match. The future is bright for him.
Congrats to Liddle for staying in great position. His takedown was a thing of beauty. It was a perfect setup, and quick finish and as often happens against two evenly matched wrestlers that was the difference in that match.
I can't speak to why he jumped up but I can say that I don't think Ayala has anything to do with it because Ayala is 3A and Centerville is 2A.
I'm sure they are related. It's Shane Buss's son, who was a football player for Allison-Bristow in the mid 90s. Not sure what the relation is between Shane and Rick but if you know small town Iowa, 99% of people with the same last name in a geographic area are related somehow.
Noonan is the Wyoming commit. Glad we get to see him wrestle ISU and UNI the next few years. Great kid.
Would love to have the Jesuroga brothers here.
He has a little more agility than several than several heavyweights. Not just a collar tie and push type. Thinking he does some work with ETC, but my youth ties and weakening every year.
Regarding 2A 132, pretty sure the Indee kid was called for stalling on bottom earlier in the match, then penalized for the injury timeout with other kid getting to choose bottom. He let him up with seconds left and took him down to force OT.
The stalling call in OT was justified only if verbally told by the ref he would be penalized. The earlier stall call was not. He was doing as much on bottom as the Osage kid was, plus getting his oil checked. Also the other kid was wrestling from his knees, which is stalling unless you’re Anthony Robles.
Know nothing about the Independence kid, but he deserved to win.
Interestingly, last year after state there was a thread on the predicament about fake injuries and the goons came out saying that just didn’t happen. I say it does, and those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Nobody booed when the 182 was stalling against Villascusa and in the finals.
The stalling call in OT was justified only if verbally told by the ref he would be penalized. The earlier stall call was not. He was doing as much on bottom as the Osage kid was, plus getting his oil checked. Also the other kid was wrestling from his knees, which is stalling unless you’re Anthony Robles.
Know nothing about the Independence kid, but he deserved to win.
Interestingly, last year after state there was a thread on the predicament about fake injuries and the goons came out saying that just didn’t happen. I say it does, and those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Nobody booed when the 182 was stalling against Villascusa and in the finals.
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"Wrestling from your knees is stalling" "It can't be stalling if the clocks not ticking" - A few people are making up rules as we go. LOL
I guess Drake Ayala was stalling when he was wrestling from his knees a good portion of that match. How about when David Carr does it? SMH
